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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:50:57 -0700, "Tom" <...@comcast.net
"marques de sade" <...@news.sysmatrix.net...
I for one am getting pretty tired of this noise. I'm going to start
deleting these threads unread.
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:50:57 -0700, "Tom"
<...@comcast.net
evasion noted.
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`We come now to the idea of the Gaeia Universe, where the whole of the Universe would be a single living entity of which all mankind is barely an organelle. But unlike the organisms of Earth, the elements of the Universe, energy and matter, are not connected by the bloody and battering interaction of consumption that we experience on Earth, but by the same forces of physics and mechanics which govern the aforementioned astronomical principles. The concept of pantheism proposes an additional connection, one of an overarching divine presence. In this divinity, mind and matter are one, and all things in the Universe are evenly connected'' --B.D. Abramson
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:44:05 -0500, Melkor <...@middleearth.com
so
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How old was Juliet (in a play by Shakespeare, an Englishman)?
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:21:58 +0100, "Smiler" <...@Joe.King.com
<...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
How old was the supposed Mary when she was raped by the supposed god?
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:21:58 +0100, "Smiler" <...@Joe.King.comwrote:
does it matter much? when compared to eternity, even 100 years old
is infancy...
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`We come now to the idea of the Gaeia Universe, where the whole of the Universe would be a single living entity of which all mankind is barely an organelle. But unlike the organisms of Earth, the elements of the Universe, energy and matter, are not connected by the bloody and battering interaction of consumption that we experience on Earth, but by the same forces of physics and mechanics which govern the aforementioned astronomical principles. The concept of pantheism proposes an additional connection, one of an overarching divine presence. In this divinity, mind and matter are one, and all things in the Universe are evenly connected'' --B.D. Abramson
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On 17 Jun 2008 16:56:33 GMT, Enkidu <...@trashmail.net
paul...@verizon.net wrote in news:587142a1-e0d2-4bb7-8736-5f5fc3afdf32
@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
How old was Romeo? Both would be considered "under age" by our standards.
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Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Literature is mostly about having sex, and not much about having babies;
life is the other way round."
David Lodge
(01/28/1935 - )
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On 17 Jun 2008 16:56:33 GMT, Enkidu <...@trashmail.netwrote:
you don't have a religion from the romeo and juliet myth trying to
take over the world...
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`We come now to the idea of the Gaeia Universe, where the whole of the Universe would be a single living entity of which all mankind is barely an organelle. But unlike the organisms of Earth, the elements of the Universe, energy and matter, are not connected by the bloody and battering interaction of consumption that we experience on Earth, but by the same forces of physics and mechanics which govern the aforementioned astronomical principles. The concept of pantheism proposes an additional connection, one of an overarching divine presence. In this divinity, mind and matter are one, and all things in the Universe are evenly connected'' --B.D. Abramson
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:27:12 -0700 (PDT), Hollis Brown <...@hotmail.com
Fucking thespians! They'll kill us all!
HB
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In article <...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com
Thirteen.
-- cary
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And we have a winner (Lady Capulet, by the data in the same scene,
would be 26).
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In article <...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com
There seems to me to be some tension about this that runs throughout
the play. Juliet's father protests to Paris, who has the hots
for his daughter:
But saying o'er what I have said before:
My child is yet a stranger in the world;
She hath not seen the change of fourteen years,
Let two more summers wither in their pride,
But Paris comes back:
Younger than she are happy mothers made.
I wondered if all this means that such was common in
the Elizabethan society of Shakespeare's time -- or
was it purely something he constructed for his exotic
and romantic imiganary Italian world.
-- cary
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:35:56 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <...@cox.net
Inasmuch as the life expectancy at that time was quite low (by our
standards at least), I believe it's an accurate depiction of
Elizabethan marriage customs. In most of the Third World today, "if
she's old enough to bleed, she's old enough to breed" is still normal
practice. Sad but true.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:35:56 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
<...@cox.net
and blacks used to be hung from trees upside down with pitchforks
up their asses and it was totally acceptable, too...
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`We come now to the idea of the Gaeia Universe, where the whole of the Universe would be a single living entity of which all mankind is barely an organelle. But unlike the organisms of Earth, the elements of the Universe, energy and matter, are not connected by the bloody and battering interaction of consumption that we experience on Earth, but by the same forces of physics and mechanics which govern the aforementioned astronomical principles. The concept of pantheism proposes an additional connection, one of an overarching divine presence. In this divinity, mind and matter are one, and all things in the Universe are evenly connected'' --B.D. Abramson
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:59:41 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <...@comcast.net
<...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
And we have a winner (Lady Capulet, by the data in the same scene,
would be 26).
And, Romeo was all of 15.
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It is curiosity." Professor Barnhardt - The Day The
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In article <...@comcast.com
Is that right? I just watched the play (for the first
time) a few weeks back, and came away wondering just
how old Romeo was supposed to be. The actor who
played him in this production (the made-for-television
BBC production) was considerably older.
Do you remember specifically what in the play
tells us this?
--cary
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:29:24 -0400, Christopher A. Lee <...@optonline.net
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:03:39 +0000 (UTC), car...@afone.as.arizona.edu
It is right.
But that's how things were at the time. And for many centuries before
that.
It's wrong to look at those times through today's eyes.
Even though I'm glad times have changed. The only time I ever wanted a
thirteen year old was when I was that age too. She was the prettiest
girl in class.
Capulet says
But saying o'er what I have said before:
My child is yet a stranger in the world;
She hath not seen the change of fourteen years,
Let two more summers wither in their pride,
Ere we may think her ripe to be a bride.
Lady Capulet says
She's not fourteen.
The nurse says
Even or odd, of all days in the year,
Come Lammas-eve at night shall she be fourteen.
Lady Capulet also says
Well, think of marriage now; younger than you,
Here in Verona, ladies of esteem,
Are made already mothers: by my count,
I was your mother much upon these years
That you are now a maid. Thus then in brief:
The valiant Paris seeks you for his love.
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Christopher A. Lee <...@optonline.net
Um, I pointed that bit out myself -- what I was asking about
was where Michelle finds that Romeo was fifteen.
-- cary
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On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:29:24 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<...@optonline.net
and it is wrong for us to look at anal rape in prison as we do for
other kinds of rape that occur outside of prison. let's be
understanding...
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`We come now to the idea of the Gaeia Universe, where the whole of the Universe would be a single living entity of which all mankind is barely an organelle. But unlike the organisms of Earth, the elements of the Universe, energy and matter, are not connected by the bloody and battering interaction of consumption that we experience on Earth, but by the same forces of physics and mechanics which govern the aforementioned astronomical principles. The concept of pantheism proposes an additional connection, one of an overarching divine presence. In this divinity, mind and matter are one, and all things in the Universe are evenly connected'' --B.D. Abramson
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Your obvious love of childrens' assholes has twisted your
thinking so you see them in every direction you turn. Other
than your own obsession with them, what could make you
think Mohammed fucked his wives in the ass?
Yes it certainly is. So how in the *fuck* can the authorities
in power possibly believe going to prison could make people
any better, when anal rape is known, accepted and supported
by the prison system itself? Maybe while you're worrying so much
about child abuse and religion, you could work up a little concern
over the acceptance and encouragement of anal rape which is
promoted by prison systems all over the country. Maybe with a
little sniffing around you would learn that all the wardens and
guards make up a big homosexual community, and things are set
up as they are specifically so it will be accepted and supported
for the wardens and guards to get a piece of every guy's ass
that they get excited over.
It was not at the time, and so is not now either. Much as
you wish--AGAIN--that you could, you can't change history
as you're trying desperately to do.
Then refer to it as accepted marital behavior instead of
dishonestly trying to get people to believe it was child abuse
when it was not.
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i said nothing to that effect. the anal rape reference was about
prison... try to focus on the actual text rather than let your
imagination wonder and come up with stuff i didn't say, and then
you spend time replying to non-existent ideas that i have not
touched, and look the fool for doing so...
so then, pedophilia is always pedophilia...
how the fuck do people like bush respect islam when it is known
the founder was a pedophile... i guess people accept that culture
is more powerful than moral codes... just like in prison...
thanks for agreeing with me for once...
but it is now, and i'm judging it with today's lense...
54 and 9 i think qualifies...
the facts speak for themselves..
it's rape of a child... (not anal, tho)
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`We come now to the idea of the Gaeia Universe, where the whole of the Universe would be a single living entity of which all mankind is barely an organelle. But unlike the organisms of Earth, the elements of the Universe, energy and matter, are not connected by the bloody and battering interaction of consumption that we experience on Earth, but by the same forces of physics and mechanics which govern the aforementioned astronomical principles. The concept of pantheism proposes an additional connection, one of an overarching divine presence. In this divinity, mind and matter are one, and all things in the Universe are evenly connected'' --B.D. Abramson
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On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:33:46 -0700 (PDT), Executive Function <...@hotmail.com
To me it's very simple. If the child has passed through puberty and
is mentally and emotionally (as well as physically) prepared to have
sex and gives consent, and is not coerced in *any* way thier by
another person or by societal expectations, then it's not rape or
abuse. If these criteria are not fulfilled then it *is* abuse. The
fact that societies present day and in the past have a culture of
abusive behaviour integral to them does not eliminate the damage to
the individual child. The Spartans had a deeply abusive culture
towards children. It may have been the cultural norm for them at that
time, but the norm is not always healthy or well adjusted in any
society. However - you cannot condemn an entire society for something
they cannot percieve about themselves, or say that any society is
*bad*, full stop. In todays world, cultures and societies rub
shoulders with each other on the global stage and so damaging norms
can be compared with more healthy norms, and societies change more
quickly. This also has consequences, because in the process of rapid
societal change, sometimes the baby get's thrown out with the
bathwater, and the traditional values that were beneficial are lost.
Westernisation isn't all to the good.
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On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:33:46 -0700 (PDT), Executive Function
<...@hotmail.com
those are precisely the damaging abusive values we're trying to
get rid of. westernization/secularization is always good.
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`We come now to the idea of the Gaeia Universe, where the whole of the Universe would be a single living entity of which all mankind is barely an organelle. But unlike the organisms of Earth, the elements of the Universe, energy and matter, are not connected by the bloody and battering interaction of consumption that we experience on Earth, but by the same forces of physics and mechanics which govern the aforementioned astronomical principles. The concept of pantheism proposes an additional connection, one of an overarching divine presence. In this divinity, mind and matter are one, and all things in the Universe are evenly connected'' --B.D. Abramson
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On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:57:52 -0700 (PDT), Executive Function <...@hotmail.com
That's a ridiculous and ethnocentric reply. I'll give one example -
certain cultures (ie amerindians) in the past knew how to look after
the environment and not take more than they needed; they kept a
balance. Western first world societies are only beginning to
appreciate the lack of these values in thier cultures. In the future
westernisation will be roundly criticised for it's wasteful and
selfish attitude it takes to planetary resources, even if they are the
norm. When the resource wars come to a close, I promise you that
Western societies and the export of western values to other countries
will be the most demonised and condemned of all societies and acts in
history, because the sheer death toll will surpass anything known to
date and will make the Nazi's look like boy scouts on a fishing trip.
A bit of ancient islamic sodomy is nothing compared to what our
western cultures are guilty of perpetrating at this very moment.
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Anyone under 21?
Who knows whether he does or not?
He wasn't.
It's a nice change.
Not if it was accepted at the time.
No. Actually is was a man having sex with his wife,
who he waited for until she became the acceptable
age. You can't take it from there if you never even
get that far to begin with.
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