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Real Magic -4- Mantra, Mandala & Mudra


On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:01:27 -0700 (PDT), Kisai <...@gmail.com

*IB* continues his tour by introducing the reader to the power of
symbols in magic: aural, visual, and kinesthetic.

*IB* begins with the etymology of the word 'tantra' and delves a bit
into the history of Tantric Buddhism. Unfortunately, in doing so he
compares the spread of Mahayana Buddhism to Roman Catholicism which is
like comparing the proliferation of the useful herb of garlic in the
world to the voracious spread of the nutria in the southeast wetlands
of the United States. Despite some wacky sects, Buddhism grew in the
accepting soil of Hinduism and generally doesn't try to usurp other's
religions. Roman Catholicism grew from the doctrine of oppressed
monotheists and developed as a substitute government during turbulent
times.

Next, *IB* introduces mantra and the importance of names in magical
tradition. He mentions the myth of Isis wrangling magic from Ra by
finagling his true name from him. He also mentions the secret name of
YHVH, Sumerian mythology, and Rumplestiltskin. He then talks about
Kabbalah's love of names and grimoires as well.

*IB* exposits at length on mantra's, but unf., doesn't seem to get
exactly anywhere. He seems to hold the opinion that the mantra itself
is important, but its pronunciation is not, useful only for invoking a
trance (which is then used for magical action) and that mantras are
very much like political slogans that the hoi-polloi use as a
substitue for rational thought. My problem with his simplistic
thinking is that it should be rather easy to develop a mantra from his
methods for say mass domination of the public mind, but it is not.
People have feelings and they use words to express those feelings, but
its in the feelings, not the words, where the power lies over the
minds of the people. As for the use of mantra in magic, IMHO, its
merely a way to shut down the rational mind. As for the power of
names, well, that discussion should be reserved for a historical
analysis (like _The Mechanics of Ancient Egyptian Magical Practice_).

For the remainder of the chapter, *IB* postively flies through with
scant descriptions of visual symbols, kinesthetics, visualisations,
drugs (by _trained users_, mind you... kids at home), trance,
hypnosis, and a whopping six paragraphs on chakras. Each subject
deserves books and books of attention, so I shan't go into further
detail here.




On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:04:28 -0700 (PDT), Noinden <...@gmail.com

Ok I've held off, but Real Magic is a rather old book, familiar to
most, so why are we getting a blow by blow on this?

Isaac is opinionated but knows his stuff.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:18:24 -0700 (PDT), Kisai <...@gmail.com

On Jun 11, 12:04 pm, Noinden <...@gmail.com
Chade requested it. I wanted some more enlightening books, then
acquiesced.


Eh. He superficially knows his stuff. As I said in the beginning the
book was popular because it promised egalitarism to the masses through
psychic powers at a time in which there was great hope for social
change.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:26:24 -0700 (PDT), Noinden <...@gmail.com

On Jun 11, 12:18 pm, Kisai <...@gmail.com
Actually having talked to the man, he knows his stuff.

Out of curiosity which edition are you working off?

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:03:44 -0700, "Tom" <...@comcast.net


"Noinden" <...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

I've actually talked to the guy too, and I'd say he knows some stuff pretty
well and not so much other stuff. Magic is a huge field of study and there
are some very different ways to approach it. Nobody has a lock on all of
it. His faith in psychic powers as the only secular explanation for magical
effects severely limits his vision. His lack of scientific discipline makes
for some glaring and obvious errors in judgment as to what is "real magic"
and what is not.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:19:31 -0700 (PDT), Noinden <...@gmail.com

On Jun 11, 2:03 pm, "Tom" <...@comcast.net
Speaking as a Scientist (Chemist) I never mix my faith with my job. It
leads to being a fundy ;)

PIE is a neopagan first and foremost, as am I. This may colour my
views as it does his?

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:47:17 -0700, "Tom" <...@comcast.net


"Noinden" <...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

At least we have your word that you never mix religion with chemistry.
However, lots of self-proclaimed "scientists" have fundamentalist beliefs.
Those are the people from whom "creation science" and "intelligent design
theory" arose. Usually, they are people talking about subjects well out of
their area of expertise.


Any group that lists their religion as a higher priority than finding out
what's really going on lacks credibility.

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