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DC Comics Message Boards: Where do you think Gotham and ...
I think Gotham City is on the east coast and Metropolis is on the west coast.
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They are both big cities on the US east coast.
In the lead up to Infinite Crisis, Metropolis was in New York state, and prior to that, had been in Delaware according to some maps DC put out years ago.
Gotham City is thought to be in New Jersey, by those same maps.
As i think about it, the maps might have been from a role-playing game.
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Gotham City in REAL life is New York.
There are random signs in NY refering to things as GOTHAM.
In fact a New York Congress man is trying to make Gotham the Official nickname of NY, he's trying to pass a bill to say so.
. The Big Apple I guess is some other type of nick name.
Metropolis is also on the EAST Coast.
They referenced this in the JLA/AVENGERS mini.
The DC Earth was bigger in size than the Marvel Earth.
Metropolis was written as New York but given a different name to keep a fantasy feel.
Coast City is on the West Coast.
I think Gate city?
The one created by Byrne in Wonder Woman was close to Chicago.
Keystone and Central City are in the Midwest right?
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Someone working for the daily planet said they could see gotham from their window.
So they have to be kind of close unless they were joking.
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Not saying this is absolutely correct but i tend to go w/ the maps that say gotham is in new jersey and metropolis is across the delaware river in delaware.
here is a link to a dcu atlas that i go by (again, not saying that because i use it, that makes it right.)
http://www.karridian.net/dcatlas.html#usa
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Dick Giordano, when he was Editor-in-Chief, once commented in an interview that Gotham was NYC, and Metropolis was Washington DC.
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NYC is its own city in the DCU.
So Gotham couldn't actually be NYC.
I think Gotham is in NJ.
And in the DCU, Gotham is the DCU's "New York City." Gotham is the famed city, the commercially and historically dominant yet seedy city.
Gotham is like the cesspool NYC was in the early 80's, before NYC was cleaned up.
And yea, Metropolis being a huge powerful dominant (equally dominant to Gotham) city in Delaware makes sense.
Because the DCU has Washington DC already.
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I always thought of Metropolis as DC's New York and Gotham as it's Chicago.
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I remember Gotham being referenced as an east coast city, so that's why I don't think of Chicago.
Plus, Gotham is modeled after NYC, so I think of a place near NYC.
As far as personality/character of the cities, many have said and I agree that Gotham is NYC at night and Metropolis is NYC during the day.
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> I remember Gotham being referenced as an east coast
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City, so that's why I don't think of Chicago.
Plus,
> Gotham is modeled after NYC, so I think of a place
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Near NYC.
Yeah, I've seen that reference as well, but I got Chicago stuck in my head before I read it.
Ah well...
> As far as personality/character of the cities, many
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Have said and I agree that Gotham is NYC at night and
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Metropolis is NYC during the day.
That's a great way of describing the two cities!
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> They are both big cities on the US east coast.
In the
> lead up to Infinite Crisis, Metropolis was in New
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York state, and prior to that, had been in Delaware
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According to some maps DC put out years ago.
The earliest mention of Metropolis by name placed it in the state of New York (in "Superman Champions World Peace!" from Superman #2, Fall 1939).
Gotham City evolved out of Batman's original base-of-operations which was New York City.
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Gotham City is thought to be in New Jersey, by those
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Same maps. As i think about it, the maps might have
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Been from a role-playing game.
The original map was from Amazing World of DC Comics #14 from 1977.
This was the basis for the map featured in Mayfair Game's Atlas of the DC Universe.
It depicated Gotham City and Metropolis on opposite shores of Delaware Bay.
The 2005 comic Countdown to Infinite Crisis places Metropolis in the state of New York.
Gotham City is probably still in New Jersey.
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There is absolutely no doubt that the towns, when created in the 1930s, were renamed versions of New York City and DC.
In the real world today, Gotham had always been a nickname for NY and metropolis referred to the greater extended city from dc to baltimore.
adding REAL cities to the fictional DC universe like New York and DC came later and made things more confused.
Yes, gotham is new york and it isnt.
It cant be, there is a dcu gotham AND new york.
atlas which put gotham near new york, like in jersey, or metropolis near dc like on the delaware are just crazy attempts to make everything work out
other cities are clearly modeled on seattle and chicago with names like central city, etc.
To give you a sense of the national region they are fictionally in...
However, metropolis in the superman movies is clearly nyc...they fly around the statue of liberty and fight in times square.
Movies are not definitive, but it does add to the confusion of average readers/viewers.
gotham and metropolis are both east coast, and are modeled on new york and dc...thats really all you can nail down.
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I've never seen any evidence that either Metropolis or Gotham City was based on Washington, D.C.;
Care to cite a source?
We are speaking strictly of the DCU versions of these cities here (as the topic), not any movie version (although the maps of Nolan's Gotham City clearly show it next to the Atlantic Ocean: http://www.gothamcityrail.com/map.htm).
Here's a map of Gotham City, post- No Man's Land: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/Gothammap.jpg.
Actually, the two Gothams are very similar.
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Yea, I've heard nothing about Metropolis being evenly remotely modeled after Wash DC.
It was more modeled after Cleveland or Toronto than Wash DC I'm sure, considering early stories and where Seigel and Schuster hailed from.
Interesting that Countdown says Metro is in NY.
I could accept that.
Just more far into the state past NYC some, I guess.
As long as its somewhere sorta near Gotham.
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> there is absolutely no doubt that the towns, when
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Created in the 1930s, were renamed versions of New
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York City and DC.
Gotham was NYC, sure, but I have never seen anything to suggest that Metropolis is Washington.
Washington has a highly distinctive appearance, and its dominant characteristic is being the national capital.
Neither of those apply to Metropolis.
Moreover, a lot of catastrophes here and there have implied that Metropolis is directly on the East Coast.
Ie, a tsunami could hit it.
A boat can take off directly into the Atlantic.
Gotham is on water, but doesn't have so many "ocean" references that I recall.
It could be on Chesapeake Bay, for example.
The original Metropolis was beyond a shadow of a doubt Cleveland.
Clark Kent wires a story back to Cleveland in one of the first few issues of Action.
Siegel and Shuster went to high school there.
Metropolis was also inspired in part by Toronto, where Siegel spent his early boyhood.
Given the need to squeeze them into a fictional East Coast, I'd say that Metropolis works better in New Jersey, and Gotham at the north end of Chesapeake Bay, in Maryland.
But their original inspirations were New York and Cleveland.
Note: Cleveland stood much higher in the rankings of major US cities in 1938.
It was around #8 or so, truly a major city.
Now it's more like #30, so it seems less worthy of the grandeur of a Superman, but back in the day, it fit.
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