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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (10 "Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate," by Ward Connerly.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (9 ratings)
Count on Mr Obama to stick his foot in his mouth.
It is extremely difficult in the heat of a campaign not to revert to basic beliefs.
Roger Brown
San Diego, CA
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (5 ratings)
I am dismayed to be reminded once again by Mr.
Connerly's op-ed piece of the scurrilous redefining of terminology that now passes for erudition within the political Right in our country.
“Civil Rights”, as commonly understood in the American community, refers to the democratic principle, which in Jefferson’s words asserts that “all men are created equal” and “endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights”.
Mr. Connerly might actually agree with this definition except, apparently, when violations of this principle are redressed through legislation and by the courts.
The “equality” that Mr.
Connerly hopes to achieve, to employ an example, would eliminate the possibility of redress when there is a systematic effort—whether intentional or not—to deprive specific groups of Citizens of their right to vote.
And, yes, this sort of disenfranchisement does still occur.
Have we so soon forgotten Brower County Florida in November of 2000?
Mr. Connerly seems to feel that redressing this sort of deprivation of Civil Rights somehow “violates” the rights of other citizens who are already freely able to exercise their franchise.
Such reasoning, and I use the term advisedly, is specious at best and more likely a willful and malicious attempt at obfuscation.
Let us not be fooled by these veiled attempts in the name of Civil Rights to eliminate the possibility to redress discrimination.
I am Caucasian and grew up in Kansas.
My rights are most certainly not violated by attempts to ensure that my African-American neighbors in South Harlem can freely exercise their rights as Citizens.
Shame on you, Mr.
Connerly.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (4 ratings)
We should move affirmative action away from race and gender, and base it more on economic zones.
So, if you graduate high school in places such as East New York or South Central L.A.
Or East St. Louis where going to school is like moving through a war zone, and the quality of education is poor, then by all means you deserve special consideration.
All the current standard does now is perpetuate the stereotype that people of color and women are somehow less then everyone else and need help.
But that seems a bit too much for someone like Obama who has been schooled and shaped by Black Liberation Theology for more than 20 years
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (3 ratings)
The interesting thing is that Obama has never spoke about affirmative action with respect to race - I heard him make reference to class-based preferences to help underpriviledged people of all races get a leg-up.
Read the comments that Connelly references very carefully - there is no proof that Obama even believes in race-based preferences.
He has stated that he doesn't.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (3 ratings)
It is interesting to note that the only time I heard Senator Obama reference affirmative action was with respect to class.
If you notice, Mr.
Connelly does not reference any statement that clearly indicates, from Mr.
Obama himself, that he believes in raced-based preferences.
Even the couple of references he makes do not indicate that to be the case.
I heard Mr. Obama say that he favored a system that favored providing opportunity to underpriviledged people of all races to help them compete.
I don't even know why Mr.
Connelly wrote this article.
Don Mullins
New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (5 ratings)
Once again, one of this country's prophets of hate, Ward Connerly, steps up to the podium.
He's probably hating the fact that a black man who disagrees with him has gotten so close to the White House.
Connerly has succeeded with his initiatives not so much because people embrace his message but he has quite cunningly taken advantage of bad economic times (as he did in California) to spread his message.
He knows that folks will rail at anything that promotes equal opportunity whenever they're losing their homes or having to pay $4 for a gallon of gas.
Obama, on the other hand, is championing economic growth for everyone, and in succeeding, would render the likes of Connerly as irrelevant.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (4 ratings)
Ward states "As a lawyer, I am sure that Mr.
Obama must know this." With your foot in mouth comment, I am inclined to think that Ward should take another look at this statement.
Clearly in Obama's case we are dealing with a man who has been educated beyond his intelligence.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (4 ratings)
Connerly has it right.
Obama is indeed no post-racial candidate, but rather a leftist whose rise to the Presidency - if accomplished - would be marked by a deepening, even a resurrection, of the failed concept of preferences for certain members of often poorly defined racial groups at the expense of denial of opportunity for other equally or more meritorious members of some other racial groups.
This is a formula for ethnic disaster in our country, and hopefully it will not happen.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (4 ratings)
Hear, hear!
Mr. Connerly and keep up your good work.
Thank you
Anne Mansfield
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (3 ratings)
Ward Connerly is dead right,but, who listens to him.
In the real world its about competence not color.
About merit not preference.
Luckily the free marketplace seporates merit and quality from preference and race.
At least until some congressional moron passes a law forbidding hard work and success.
And the beat goes on...and the beat goes on
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (4 ratings)
I am not surprised in the least that Mr.
Obama's "post-racial" campaign has been exposed for what it is: a sham!
But the real tragedy that makes this sham possible is the inability of Obama's supporters to even recognize that their trust in a race-neutral, color-blind Barack Obama has been shamelessly betrayed by their candidate.
Fed on a three-decade long intellectual diet of white guilt, group entitlements, and cultural self-loathing, young Americans in particular no longer possess the capacity to discern what constitutes racism and discrimination.
Thus the act of giving preferences to individuals or groups on the basis of immutable characteristics such as race, gender or ethnicity simply does not strike them as what it is: discriminatory and plain wrong.
If Barack Obama truly believed "in a country in which opportunity is available to all Americans, regardless of their race, gender or economic status", he would unhesitatingly embrace Ward Connerly's concept of race neutral practices in public employment, as embodied by the ballot initiatives to come before the voters of Arizona, Colorado and Nebraska this fall.
Imbuing these clearly-worded initiatives with "hidden agendas", as opponents of these initiatives routinely do, will hardly fool fair minded Americans who overwhelmingly passed identical measures in California, Washington and Michigan in years past.
Finally, I fail to see how, according to Obama's assertions in USA Today, these ballot initiatives would "roll back opportunity for millions of Americans." I'd venture to say that they would "open up equal opportunity for millions of American." They would also erase the divisiveness and anger fostered by decades of preferential practices in public employment and once again bring to the forefront the very values that undergird our nation's Constitution and strengthen our shared American identity: meritocracy and the inalienable right to equality for the individual.
Besides, does anyone recall Martin Luther King say: "I have a dream that someday my children will receive preferences based on the color of their skin?" I am afraid Dr.
King has been turning in his grave for quite some time.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:06 am Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (3 ratings)
I don’t know why some white people are angry at most black or minority vote for their own people.
IF you don’t understand I will try to explain it here.
Black population in America is about 10%.
White population is more than 60%.
.Even 90% of black vote for Obama, he is not going to be president.
.Given America treatment such as discrimination and slavery on blacks and given all American presidents are whites, black and other minority wants one of their own to be president.
Historically in the past black population had voted for white candidates and white population have always voted for white candidates for president until now.
.It seems like almost half of the white population now do likely to vote Obama not only because they want to see a black to be president, because he talks about unity and he talks about future of America, talks about change the way politic is done to serve people.
McCain on the other hand is not about change that is continuation of Bush’s policies such as War, Economy and Health Care.
This half of white population also knows that Obama has white mother and raised by her white grands.
If he has black parents, then it would be more difficult for this half of white population to vote for him.
- Other half of white population don’t want to vote for Obama for there is many reseaons.I think this population is republican and some democrat.
Initially I thought this white population won’t vote Obama even if he is white.
That is they just don’t like Obama’s policies, not because he is black.
However I think I am wrong in my initial assumption.
This population WILL uses following reasons not to vote Obama for president
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EXPERIENCE
2. OBAMA IS RACIST
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EXPERIENCE
I understand that there are some whites who are not racists and concerned about Obama’s lack of experience for president.
But there are also whites who are still prejudiced/racists against blacks, and they’ll use experience as a reason not to vote Obama.
Even though experience doesn’t guarantee success in the oval office, Bush’s administration is the most experienced.
If this white population say they’ll vote MaCain for his experience, they basically saying Bush’s republican administration, War, current economy is good for them.
2.OBAMA IS RACIST: as a reason for the white population not to vote Obama.The true is Obama is not racist, remember his white mother and grands.
Half of white genetic make up is in his body.
He looks black in white society and treated as such.
This racist white population also use his anti-American pastor as reason not to vote Obama.
But they have not said anything about McCain’s no vote on MLK holiday.
They haven’t said anything about McCain’s racist pastor.
This white population will also say he is muslin terriost because Obama’s middle name.
Voting for Obama is also difficult for them, it also signal their white children to marry non-whites
It is understandable that the white population don’t want a black to be president, what next a female president, Hispanic president, Asian president?
It is also understandable that the white population got scare because they have been treating blacks and minorities as less than human.
Actually white scientists had been promoting theories of African and Asian as missing links between Apes and white Human.
Subconsciously the white population know this but won’t admit it is this is the beginning of lowering of privileges that comes with just being white in the world.
It is also scary for white population if black Obama become president in white country.
There’ll also be other minority like him in other white countries e.g.
Canada, EU, Australia, NZ going to lead the nations.
I believe Obama’ll win in November.
I believe human race will be less scare of our physical differences mainly skin colour, nose and eye shapes into the future.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (4 ratings)
While I agree with you about the need for eliminating preferential treatment for an ethnic group, you must consider the inherent disadvantages of growing up in a neighborhood that has an inferior(or inadequate if you prefer) school system.
It will breed children who are ill equipped to deal with today's and tomorrow's demands.
If you take that into consideration then I'm sure you would see the wisdom of a gradual phase out of affirmative action along with a gradual process of allocating more funds to help the schools that are systematically failing our children the only way we all win is through education.
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Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Obama Is No 'Post-Racial' Candidate (3 ratings)
Of course Sen.
Obama is a race-preference presidential candidate.
Either it is time that he admits it or we must continue to take the time to point out that Sen.
Obama has and will continue to support race-preference based issues;
For black people;
Not just American blacks, but all blacks around the entire world.
And he is going to use hard-earned American taxpayer dollars to fund these preferences in his spending habits.
Bruce Westcott
westcott2008@aol.com
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