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do you feel psalm 109 feels out of place in the bible?
I know God is pretty hardcore , esp.
In the OT. i mean, he took out people that doubted Him.
We all know that.
But in Exodus God tells us to love our enemies.
but then David comes along and writes psalm 109 about his enemies talking crap about him.
What do you think of psalm 109.
Does it make you feel uneasy?
I mean, basically praying for God to take somebody out.
In a way David is judging somebody with psalm 109...
I dunno.. maybe i got it all wrong....and i'm not trying to be blasphemous with this thread...
I'm just a beginner trying to understand the word here's 109 -
Psalm 109
1Hold not thy peace, O God of my praise;
2For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.
3They compassed me about also with words of hatred;
And fought against me without a cause.
4For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer.
5And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.
6Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
7When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.
8Let his days be few;
And let another take his office.
9Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
10Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.
11Let the extortioner catch all that he hath;
And let the strangers spoil his labour.
12Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.
13Let his posterity be cut off;
And in the generation following let their name be blotted out.
14Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD;
And let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.
15Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.
16Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart.
17As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
18As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.
19Let it be unto him as the garment which covereth him, and for a girdle wherewith he is girded continually.
20Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the LORD, and of them that speak evil against my soul.
21But do thou for me, O GOD the Lord, for thy name's sake: because thy mercy is good, deliver thou me.
22For I am poor and needy, and my heart is wounded within me.
23I am gone like the shadow when it declineth: I am tossed up and down as the locust.
24My knees are weak through fasting;
And my flesh faileth of fatness.
25I became also a reproach unto them: when they looked upon me they shaked their heads.
26Help me, O LORD my God: O save me according to thy mercy:
27That they may know that this is thy hand;
That thou, LORD, hast done it.
28Let them curse, but bless thou: when they arise, let them be ashamed;
But let thy servant rejoice.
29Let mine adversaries be clothed with shame, and let them cover themselves with their own confusion, as with a mantle.
30I will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth;
Yea, I will praise him among the multitude.
31For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to save him from those that condemn his soul.
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Scratchy:
i know God is pretty hardcore , esp.
In the OT. i mean, he took out people that doubted Him.
We all know that.
But in Exodus God tells us to love our enemies.
but then David comes along and writes psalm 109 about his enemies talking crap about him.
What do you think of psalm 109.
Does it make you feel uneasy?
I mean, basically praying for God to take somebody out.
In a way David is judging somebody with psalm 109...
I dunno.. maybe i got it all wrong....and i'm not trying to be blasphemous with this thread...
I'm just a beginner trying to understand the word
Hey man,
This doesn't seem out of place in the Old Testament at all.
The Old Testament is miles more violent than the new, with millions of people getting slaughtered throughout by the Will of God.
Don't forget that in addition to being a king and poet, he (David) was also a warrior.
In fact, if one could attribute one act that solidified his role as king of Israel, what do you think it would be?
In God's eyes, it was most likely David's righteousness.
But in the eyes of the Israelites, it would have been David's killing of Goliath and subsequen defeat of the Philistines.
Psalms like these should let you know that the God you have chosen to worship, YH-H, will always stand up for you and be your Defender and Redeemer in times of distress.
David praying for God to "take people out" is at least two-fold.
Firstly, I would say that he is praying for the cessation of his enemies' assaults, because it is natural for man not to want enemies.
But also because if he is dead, how could he possibly praise and honor YH-H, your God, and how could he spread the Word of His Greatness?
For there is no praise of You among the dead;
In the grave, who can acclaim You?
-Psalm 6:5
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Neil With The Deal:
Scratchy:
i know God is pretty hardcore , esp.
In the OT. i mean, he took out people that doubted Him.
We all know that.
But in Exodus God tells us to love our enemies.
but then David comes along and writes psalm 109 about his enemies talking crap about him.
What do you think of psalm 109.
Does it make you feel uneasy?
I mean, basically praying for God to take somebody out.
In a way David is judging somebody with psalm 109...
I dunno.. maybe i got it all wrong....and i'm not trying to be blasphemous with this thread...
I'm just a beginner trying to understand the word
Hey man,
This doesn't seem out of place in the Old Testament at all.
The Old Testament is miles more violent than the new, with millions of people getting slaughtered throughout by the Will of God.
Don't forget that in addition to being a king and poet, he (David) was also a warrior.
In fact, if one could attribute one act that solidified his role as king of Israel, what do you think it would be?
In God's eyes, it was most likely David's righteousness.
But in the eyes of the Israelites, it would have been David's killing of Goliath and subsequen defeat of the Philistines.
Psalms like these should let you know that the God you have chosen to worship, YH-H, will always stand up for you and be your Defender and Redeemer in times of distress.
David praying for God to "take people out" is at least two-fold.
Firstly, I would say that he is praying for the cessation of his enemies' assaults, because it is natural for man not to want enemies.
But also because if he is dead, how could he possibly praise and honor YH-H, your God, and how could he spread the Word of His Greatness?
For there is no praise of You among the dead;
In the grave, who can acclaim You?
-Psalm 6:5
i personally love the old testament and love the fact that God didn't take any Guff back then.
I feel like with the NT, God became "soft" and personally I wish God was how God was in the OT.
I am glad that you posted this because Psalm 109 is one of my fav.
Parts of the Bible.
I know it's wrong to say, but i'm glad it's a part of the bible.
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Scratchy:
i know God is pretty hardcore , esp.
In the OT. i mean, he took out people that doubted Him.
We all know that.
But in Exodus God tells us to love our enemies.
but then David comes along and writes psalm 109 about his enemies talking crap about him.
What do you think of psalm 109.
Does it make you feel uneasy?
I mean, basically praying for God to take somebody out.
In a way David is judging somebody with psalm 109...
I dunno.. maybe i got it all wrong....and i'm not trying to be blasphemous with this thread...
I'm just a beginner trying to understand the word here's 109 -
Psalm 109
1Hold not thy peace, O God of my praise;
2For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.
3They compassed me about also with words of hatred;
And fought against me without a cause.
4For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer.
5And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.
6Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
7When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.
8Let his days be few;
And let another take his office.
9Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
10Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.
11Let the extortioner catch all that he hath;
And let the strangers spoil his labour.
12Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.
13Let his posterity be cut off;
And in the generation following let their name be blotted out.
14Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD;
And let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.
15Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.
16Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart.
17As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
18As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.
19Let it be unto him as the garment which covereth him, and for a girdle wherewith he is girded continually.
20Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the LORD, and of them that speak evil against my soul.
21But do thou for me, O GOD the Lord, for thy name's sake: because thy mercy is good, deliver thou me.
22For I am poor and needy, and my heart is wounded within me.
23I am gone like the shadow when it declineth: I am tossed up and down as the locust.
24My knees are weak through fasting;
And my flesh faileth of fatness.
25I became also a reproach unto them: when they looked upon me they shaked their heads.
26Help me, O LORD my God: O save me according to thy mercy:
27That they may know that this is thy hand;
That thou, LORD, hast done it.
28Let them curse, but bless thou: when they arise, let them be ashamed;
But let thy servant rejoice.
29Let mine adversaries be clothed with shame, and let them cover themselves with their own confusion, as with a mantle.
30I will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth;
Yea, I will praise him among the multitude.
31For he shall stand at the right hand of the poor, to save him from those that condemn his soul.
the "angry" psalms provide a healthy, spiritual outlet for our rage.
After praying something like that, you realize how pointless it is to be so angry.
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The Jews are still emo whiners..:D ...they use alot of hyperbole phrasing in the psalms ..all psalms is poetry.
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