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Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama - Christian Teen Forums & Chat
Hi guys,
I've been hearing a lot of talk about the upcoming Presidential Elections and about Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama.
I've heard a lot of myths and rumors about the two candidates.
I have done my research and I am going to use this thread to tell you about the exact religious nature and some of the political stances of both these candidates.
For those of you who already know about this information, please refrain from posting, I simply want to make sure everyone knows the truth before they start opening their mouths.
I am not trying to start a debate.
Hilary Clinton
Hilary Clinton grew up as a Methodist and to this day says that her religion plays a major role in her life.
She is generally potrayed as a Moderate Left Liberal.
She is pro-choice, however, she is also one who indorces any means to convince women to chose themselves, not to have an abortion, even though she says it should remain legal.
On gay rights she is basically one who believes that they should do what they want and she is not obligated to try and interfere with their lives.
She believes that children should be "child citizens" under the law and not minors.
And for those of you who say that a woman should not run for president.
Please let me protest to that.
For one thing saying that women are too emotional to rule is an absolutely horrible stereotype.
I feel sorry for the men, who are control freaks, who say that because that is obviously coming from their own selfish desires to persecute and subjegate women.
I'm not saying that all men are like this.
Just some. Besides I'm a man.
And besides Hillary Clinton is not emotional.
Everyone who knows her says she has a cold personality.
Just like Queen Elizabeth.
And women are most often better rulers than men.
Because men are too violent and unintelligent to rule their own society.
Women are superior to men.
Women are better than men in that their smarter, stronger(have you ever seen a man give birth), and they are more peaceful and reasonable.
Men are obsessed with being right all the time and they are too close-minded.
Women are very open-minded and don't let pride get in the way of their responsiblities.
And to any of you who say that the Bible says otherwise, to you I say this: The Bible only says that men are to rule the HOUSEHOLD, he never said anything about politics.
Barack Obama
For one thing he is not a Muslim.
He is a Christian.
His father was a Muslim from Kenya who married a White Christian woman living in Hawaii.
They divorced when Barack was a toddler.
Afterwards, Barack's father returned to Kenya, where he renounced Islam, and became an Atheist.
Barack's mother was a very spiritual Christian throughout her life, while maintaining a "healthy skepticism of Organized Religion".
Both of Obama's parents are now deceased.
Thank you for taking the time to listen to me.
I hoped I offended no one.
Its just that one the board I've been hearing things like;
Hilary is too emotional or Obama is a Muslim(not that there would be anything wrong with that).
So I hope this will clear everything up.
And please watch the the video of Obama in the link.
Its long, but it explains a lot about him.
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What does their religious stance have to do with them making a good president or not?
Also, how come you aren't pointing out the stances that the Republican candidates have?
Here's one:
"Wayne Dumond was convicted in 1985 for the rape of Ashley Stevens.
In 1999, he was released after the parole board, under pressure from Huckabee, voted to do so.
Two years later he was convicted of murdering a woman, who he also sexually assaulted.
Dumond was also a victim of a vigilante attack, having been attacked and castrated after his rape of Stevens.
Now, normally this would just be usual tale of leniency being granted to the wrong person, the kind of thing which is inevitable in the criminal justice system.
But Wayne Dumond wasn't just any criminal, he was a minor player in the grand epic of Clinton-era wingnuttery, and a cause célèbre of Freepers, a Village voice writer, authors, and most of all NY Post columnist Steve Dunleavy, who had made Dumond his personal cause and even went as far as claiming that Stevens wasn't raped.
What does all this have to do with Clinton?
Well, Stevens is a distant relative of Clinton and this happened in Arkansas and...
Well, that was about it.
Still, by the rules of the time, there must have been some grand conspiracy.
Huckabee has a wee honesty problem:
We note the governor accuses an unnamed "tabloid" of regularly speaking inaccurately of his "pardon" of Wayne Dumond.
We know who he's talking about and we have done no such thing.
We are well aware that he issued no pardon, but he did pull strings with the parole board to do the deed to let the killer out of prison to kill again.
Check our article for yourself here.
In this brief book passage, the Huckster also makes it appear that all the parole board members were Democratic appointees, though a a reappointee of his -- a lifelong Democrat who desperately wanted to hang onto the well-paying job -- was a key vote for Dumond's release and others who went with Huckabee would likewise be reappointed by Huckabee.
In short, the book blames Dumond's release on Clinton and Tucker, overlooking his own loud and long advocacy of Dumond's cause, including through a right-wing tabloid columnist in New York using Dumond to beat up on Clinton, then popular.
Huckabee has always looked good joining a parade.
He could tell the truth here and not look so bad.
He could say accurately: He thought a wrong had been done to the castrated Dumond.
He backed off executive clemency -- with its immediate release -- in the face of the victim's outcry.
But he encouraged a supervised parole because he thought Dumond was rehabilitated and had served long enough.
He was wrong in his judgment of the man's character he came to find out.
He's sorry.
No breath will be held for this outcome.
Indeed, Huckabee's book erroneously says Dumond died in prison in Missouri without having been convicted of another murder and with questions unanswered.
But he was convicted of a killing in Missouri, with the help of DNA evidence.
He did die before a second similar murder could be pinned to him there but he was the prime suspect."
Letting go a convicted rapist and having him rape again just because you want to get back at Clinton is far worse than being for abortion.
This post has been edited by Ewing: Apr 2 2007, 09:53 AM
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Quote: And besides Hillary Clinton is not emotional.
Everyone who knows her says she has a cold personality.
Just like Queen Elizabeth.
And women are most often better rulers than men.
Because men are too violent and unintelligent to rule their own society.
Women are superior to men.
Women are better than men in that their smarter, stronger(have you ever seen a man give birth), and they are more peaceful and reasonable.
Men are obsessed with being right all the time and they are too close-minded.
Women are very open-minded and don't let pride get in the way of their responsiblities.
And to any of you who say that the Bible says otherwise, to you I say this: The Bible only says that men are to rule the HOUSEHOLD, he never said anything about politics.
Ah, good 'ol feminism...
One of the major plagues of the 21st century
I have nothing against women or women running for President but I DESPISE feminism.
All this "women are superior" nonsense REALLY gets on my nerves.
I don't think Hilary would make a good candidate because I don't agree with her or the democrat party...
It has nothing to do with her being a woman.
And I've seen some pretty close minded and emotional women in my time
But that's irrelevant.
I have nothing against a woman running...
It's WHO'S running that matters to me.
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I hate when i watched 2 clips from Fox news and those racists were talking about Obama like he was a dog.
I remember one of them saying "Obama smokes cigarrettes, i dont want that kind of person in the White House".
I doubt cigarrette smoking was the reason for him saying that.
And i have also heard Fox news people say that Obama only help poor blacks.
All they do (and will continue to do) is make stuff up about people they dont like.
I think that their kufis need a good smacking.
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First of all, I was speaking about these two Democratic candidates because that was all I heard some of the people talking about.
Second of all, I guess I was a little hotheaded when talking about women.
I believe women are EQUAL to men.
Its just that on another thread I heard some guy saying that women cannot rule and that their only purpose is to serve men.
That made me so mad.
That was a complete lie.
I don't remember who that guy was.
But I was so angry.
I guess I took out my anger on the thread.
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Edit: I didn't read everything, so never mind.
Ignore me.
Edit #2: Obama owns.
This post has been edited by delta Usafa: Apr 2 2007, 03:14 PM
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I'll be voting in the next election, and I would never consider voting for Barack Obama.
Because his family is Muslim, he is almost guaranteed to have sensitivity towards Muslims, which is negative for the entire world.
I like Hilary Clinton's views and I would vote for her if she became the main democratic candidate.
My real favorite, though, is John Edwards.
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edwards
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Quote: [snapback]608422[/snapback]I'll be voting in the next election, and I would never consider voting for Barack Obama.
Because his family is Muslim, he is almost guaranteed to have sensitivity towards Muslims, which is negative for the entire world.
You remind me of my friends father...
"I won't vote for Obama because he is black and all blacks are racist".
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Quote: [snapback]608426[/snapback]
You remind me of my friends father...
"I won't vote for Obama because he is black and all blacks are racist".
I am well aware that my choice is based on a prejudice.
But when it comes to things that could concern nuclear war, it's best to be on the safe side.
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America may be ready for a woman president but other countries arent.
They persecute women in other countries and you think they'll answer a call from a woman asking them to help or something?
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I am not voting for either of them.
One: Obama is muslim.
And like the other person said, he may be more sensitive to them then to America.
My mom is afraid that America could turn into an Islamic country.
Two: I do not trust the Clintons.
Period. Hilary scares the **** out of me!!!!
Seriously. Plus, I think with the war and all, we need a male president.
Because females are primarily emotional, Hilary may pull the troops back-and make a bunch of other crazy mistakes-and then we could have the enemy on our soil...which will not lead to anything good.
Some one asked Hilary once if she wanted us to win this war and she purposely did not answer the question.
I don't think she wants us to win.
I think this a bad time for their to be a woman president.
It would be nice to see one in the future, just not right now.
I don't think woman can handle the pressure.
I really do not want the Clintons back in the white house-not after all that crap they did.
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Quote: [snapback]608465[/snapback]America may be ready for a woman president but other countries arent.
They persecute women in other countries and you think they'll answer a call from a woman asking them to help or something?
Are you aware that other countries have, and currently do have, woman leaders?
The biggest example is the Queen of England, who seems to be doing a fine job.
The following site is a database of woman leaders of various countries from 1945-present:
http://www.terra.es/personal2/monolith/00women.htm
This post has been edited by The Atheist: Apr 3 2007, 04:00 PM
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Quote: [snapback]608475[/snapback]I think this a bad time for their to be a woman president.
It would be nice to see one in the future, just not right now.
I don't think woman can handle the pressure.
I really do not want the Clintons back in the white house-not after all that crap they did.
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but I don't know what you are talking about.
What did President Clinton do that could be considered "crap"?
He is widely considered one of the best presidents America has ever had.
You also might not know that if Hilary Clinton were to become president, she wouldn't be new to government.
She's currently on her second term as a Senator for New York.
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Quote: [snapback]608490[/snapback]Are you aware that other countries have, and currently do have, woman leaders?
The biggest example is the Queen of England, who seems to be doing a fine job.
The following site is a database of woman leaders of various countries from 1945-present:
http://www.terra.es/personal2/monolith/00women.htm
Im talking about countries that we ARENT FRIENDS WITH.
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Quote: [snapback]608422[/snapback]I'll be voting in the next election, and I would never consider voting for Barack Obama.
Because his family is Muslim, he is almost guaranteed to have sensitivity towards Muslims, which is negative for the entire world.
People wonder why America is hated by other countries.
There is your answer right there.
Because prejudice people like this person make up a lot of the country.
You do know it's extreme Muslims and not all Muslims that are the problem right?
Extreme Christians and extreme Muslims are one in the same.
They make a bad name for the rest of the religion.
Quote: [snapback]608450[/snapback]I am well aware that my choice is based on a prejudice.
But when it comes to things that could concern nuclear war, it's best to be on the safe side.
So you're aware you're being prejudice yet you still are?
Explain to me how that works.
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Please! Clinton was a liar, and possibly a rapist and a murderer.
Sorry, but I just don't trust them.
If I felt different then I would be all for the Clinton's back in the white house.
And I'm not dumb I know that Hilary isn't new to the government.
Jeez, I just don't think she would be a Good female president.
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Quote: [snapback]608509[/snapback]Im talking about countries that we ARENT FRIENDS WITH.
Did you read that link?
There are a lot of countries there with which we are not allies.
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Quote: [snapback]608475[/snapback]I am not voting for either of them.
One: Obama is muslim.
And like the other person said, he may be more sensitive to them then to America.
My mom is afraid that America could turn into an Islamic country.
Two: I do not trust the Clintons.
Period. Hilary scares the **** out of me!!!!
Seriously. Plus, I think with the war and all, we need a male president.
Because females are primarily emotional, Hilary may pull the troops back-and make a bunch of other crazy mistakes-and then we could have the enemy on our soil...which will not lead to anything good.
Some one asked Hilary once if she wanted us to win this war and she purposely did not answer the question.
I don't think she wants us to win.
I think this a bad time for their to be a woman president.
It would be nice to see one in the future, just not right now.
I don't think woman can handle the pressure.
I really do not want the Clintons back in the white house-not after all that crap they did.
Quick question.
Are you a supporter of the Bush administration?
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Quote: [snapback]608510[/snapback]People wonder why America is hated by other countries.
There is your answer right there.
Because prejudice people like this person make up a lot of the country.
You do know it's extreme Muslims and not all Muslims that are the problem right?
Extreme Christians and extreme Muslims are one in the same.
They make a bad name for the rest of the religion.
So you're aware you're being prejudice yet you still are?
Explain to me how that works.
I'm well aware that extremist Muslims are the ones performing terrorist acts.
I'm not here to argue Islam with you, but I've read the Qur'an and Hadith and decided for myself that Islam is dangerous.
With Islam, you are an extremist or you are a supporter.
I don't understand the purpose of your last question.
You can have prejudices and acknowledge them at the same time.
Give it whatever name you want.
Quote: [snapback]608511[/snapback]Please!
Clinton was a liar, and possibly a rapist and a murderer.
Sorry, but I just don't trust them.
If I felt different then I would be all for the Clinton's back in the white house.
I'm not going to address the propaganda in your post, because it's not necessary.
I'd like to say, though, that it is unfair to exclude someone because of what you feel about her husband.
This post has been edited by The Atheist: Apr 3 2007, 04:54 PM
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Quote: [snapback]608490[/snapback]Are you aware that other countries have, and currently do have, woman leaders?
The biggest example is the Queen of England, who seems to be doing a fine job.
The following site is a database of woman leaders of various countries from 1945-present:
http://www.terra.es/personal2/monolith/00women.htm
The Queen of England is a figurehead, and little more.
She has no real power.
People like Tony Blair in conjunction with Parliament are the ones making the decisions and running the country.
Quote: [snapback]608515[/snapback]I'm not going to address the propaganda in your post, because it's not necessary.
I'd like to say, though, that it is unfair to exclude someone because of what you feel about her husband.
Satire, much?
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Quote: [snapback]608517[/snapback]The Queen of England is a figurehead, and little more.
She has no real power.
People like Tony Blair in conjunction with Parliament are the ones making the decisions and running the country.
You're very right.
Please subtract one of my points.
Quote: [snapback]608517[/snapback]Satire, much?
I'd assume you're referring to my judgment of Barack Obama?
I think you can differentiate between the weight of the issues.
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Quote: [snapback]608521[/snapback]I'd assume you're referring to my judgment of Barack Obama?
I think you can differentiate between the weight of the issues.
No, I was referring to the post you were originally quoting.
Quote: Please!
Clinton was a liar, and possibly a rapist and a murderer.
Sorry, but I just don't trust them.
If I felt different then I would be all for the Clinton's back in the white house.
If you read between the lines, I don't think they were necessarily bashing Clinton.
But hey, maybe I read it wrong.
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Quote: [snapback]608527[/snapback]No, I was referring to the post you were originally quoting.
If you read between the lines, I don't think they were necessarily bashing Clinton.
But hey, maybe I read it wrong.
I don't see it.
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Quote: [snapback]608475[/snapback]Obama is muslim.
And like the other person said, he may be more sensitive to them then to America.
Did you even read the first post?
Obama is not a muslim.
His father was and his mother's a christian, as is he.
Just because his father is one and his father's religion recongizes him as one, he is not one in his heart, and that's what matters.
We aren't fighting a war against islam, we are fightign a war against terror, and terror can come from any and all religions.
Bush administration case and point.
More sensitive to them than to america?
In case the whole lot of you forgot, American is a country with no official religion, Therefore if he is president is looking out for EVERYONE.
Jews, wiccans, muslims, buddhists, atheists have just as much right to be represented and protected as we do.
Quote: My mom is afraid that America could turn into an Islamic country.
No offense, but you mom must be pretty ignorant to the fact that the ACLU and probably america as a whole would stop religious takeover of ANY kind in a heartbeat.
Personally, if someone worthwhile doesn't show up for the election, I'm voting for the two of them.
Yes I said two, because as it stands right now one will be democratic presidential candidate and the other will be on the ticket for VP.
Which one will be revealed with time, but they're interchangeable as far as I can see.
This post has been edited by Solomonswolf: Apr 3 2007, 06:26 PM
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You little "Men are sexist -- women are better" rant made me laugh too hard to appreciate the rest of your post.
Might wanna do something about that.
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