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Are Reality Shows Game Shows in Disguise?
There were some Reality shows in the '90s.
The only '90s Reality show that was a "Game show" was The Real World.
This is why I think '00s Reality is just Game Shows in disguise:
-Survivor is a game show
-All of the "Bachelor" shows are game shows
-American Idol is a game show, and is considered "Reality"
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Relatiy Shows are not game shows and they never will be because Game Shows are great and Reality shows are stupid
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Reality shows basically and essentially constitute rehashed, trumped up versions of the old contest shows like Star Search, combined with game shows and "hidden camera" shows and multifarious other influences, to create a new form of TV.
I never got the appeal of either game or reality TV shows.
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Quote: from: James on July 14, 2006, 03:37:37 PMReality shows basically and essentially constitute rehashed, trumped up versions of the old contest shows like Star Search, combined with game shows and "hidden camera" shows and multifarious other influences, to create a new form of TV.
I never got the appeal of either game or reality TV shows.
They both make me sleepy.
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Watching "I Love the 70's", I discovered that there were similar shows...
"Celebrity Bowling", "Battle of the Network Stars"...
Sound familiar
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Quote: from: Donnie Darko on July 14, 2006, 03:40:02 PMThey both make me sleepy.
I like some game shows - like I used to watch (and phone in to be a contestant) 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire' religiously.
Oftentimes I could reach about $64K+ playing at home.
I'd often finding myself berating whoever is in the hot seat.
I mean, normal people are just so dumb!
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Nah, they are really crap in disguise (reality shows that is).
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BTW, do people think reality TV is declining or just metamorphosing?
I know there was actually an article in Time recently about how the jury is in regarding how shows about, say, cooking or fashion designing are killing the old Joe Millionaire shows, but even the fashion for those will probably eventually pass.
Reality TV really peaked in 2002 and 2003.
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Quote: from: James on July 16, 2006, 03:58:24 PMBTW, do people think reality TV is declining or just metamorphosing?
I know there was actually an article in Time recently about how the jury is in regarding how shows about, say, cooking or fashion designing are killing the old Joe Millionaire shows, but even the fashion for those will probably eventually pass.
Reality TV really peaked in 2002 and 2003.
I think it will die right on 2010.
It seems like a 2000-2009 thing.
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"Almost Anything Goes"Quote: from: woops on July 15, 2006, 03:25:33 AMWatching "I Love the 70's", I discovered that there were similar shows...
"Celebrity Bowling", "Battle of the Network Stars"...
Sound familiar
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Quote: from: James on July 16, 2006, 03:58:24 PMBTW, do people think reality TV is declining or just metamorphosing?
I know there was actually an article in Time recently about how the jury is in regarding how shows about, say, cooking or fashion designing are killing the old Joe Millionaire shows, but even the fashion for those will probably eventually pass.
Reality TV really peaked in 2002 and 2003.
Yeah, if you count the first Survivor, or Who Wants To Be a Millionaire, you could say the "game/contest show" reality TV era was mid 2000-'03.
The "activity oriented" ones will probably be more of a 2004-08 thing.
I think we could say Reality TV in general is now where MTV was in 1987 -- still very much "in" and popular, but not the novelty/super cool empire it was in '83.
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Quote: from: Marty McFly on July 16, 2006, 09:09:11 PMYeah, if you count the first Survivor, or Who Wants To Be a Millionaire, you could say the "game/contest show" reality TV era was mid 2000-'03.
The "activity oriented" ones will probably be more of a 2004-08 thing.
I think we could say Reality TV in general is now where MTV was in 1987 -- still very much "in" and popular, but not the novelty/super cool empire it was in '83.
Yeah, it's in and popular, I'd say still, but it doesn't have the same inarguable market dominance it did around 2002, when all that was on TV was leftover late '90s sitcoms like That '70s Show and contest type reality shows.
The "activity oriented" ones that you mentioned seem like a very 2006 thing, with the preoccupation on a more sophisticated/refined mid-'00s that characterizes this year.
For example, Project Runway was a sleeper hit, and America's Next Top Model, American Idol, and all the ballroom dancing, homebuilding, and cooking shows are most likely peaking right now.
Part of the competition for them is all the forensic dramas and primetime soap shows that started coming in around 2004.
I agree about the MTV/reality show comparison.
The reality era's death knell was in late 2004 when Desperate Housewives premiered, with the pure reality era being 2001-2003.
Sitcoms are about at their lowest ever since the pre-1986 1980s.
These seem to me to be the TV eras:
The Norman Lear Era-1970 to 1979
The Primetime Soap/Miami Vice/Corny Teen Sitcom Era-1980 to 1986
The New Sitcom Era (Subdividable into overlapping TGIF/Roseanne and "Frasier" type eras, and then a late one around 1998 and 1999 with the Will and Grace type shows)-1987-early 2000.
The Reality Era-2000-early 2004
The Primetime Soap/Activity Show Era-Late 2004-2008 (?)
I see a massive sitcom rebirth as being the next thing coming, around 2008.
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Quote: from: James on July 16, 2006, 10:09:06 PMYeah, it's in and popular, I'd say still, but it doesn't have the same inarguable market dominance it did around 2002, when all that was on TV was leftover late '90s sitcoms like That '70s Show and contest type reality shows.
The "activity oriented" ones that you mentioned seem like a very 2006 thing, with the preoccupation on a more sophisticated/refined mid-'00s that characterizes this year.
For example, Project Runway was a sleeper hit, and America's Next Top Model, American Idol, and all the ballroom dancing, homebuilding, and cooking shows are most likely peaking right now.
Part of the competition for them is all the forensic dramas and primetime soap shows that started coming in around 2004.
I agree about the MTV/reality show comparison.
The reality era's death knell was in late 2004 when Desperate Housewives premiered, with the pure reality era being 2001-2003.
Sitcoms are about at their lowest ever since the pre-1986 1980s.
These seem to me to be the TV eras:
The Norman Lear Era-1970 to 1979
The Primetime Soap/Miami Vice/Corny Teen Sitcom Era-1980 to 1986
The New Sitcom Era (Subdividable into overlapping TGIF/Roseanne and "Frasier" type eras, and then a late one around 1998 and 1999 with the Will and Grace type shows)-1987-early 2000.
The Reality Era-2000-early 2004
The Primetime Soap/Activity Show Era-Late 2004-2008 (?)
I see a massive sitcom rebirth as being the next thing coming, around 2008.
Yeah, I agree with all that.
We're past the Survivor/Big Brother/Millionaire era.
I think Desperate Housewives and Lost sorta created the era we're in now.
1987-2000 was a HUGE sitcom era, I've often said that too.
You probably could divide it into '87-92, and '93-early '00, the first part belonging to more family oriented/cheesy Saved By the Bell, Full House-type stuff, and the second part being more office or friend-related shows (Seinfeld, Friends, Just Shoot Me).
I also think in the post-1993 era, you could get away with more violence, sex and otherwise "taboo" things (i.e.
The Contest from Seinfeld).
In a way, this made stuff like South Park (slightly) more accessible when it came.
I think '94 is the first year that could've made it on TV.
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Quote: from: Marty McFly on July 17, 2006, 12:22:59 AMYeah, I agree with all that.
We're past the Survivor/Big Brother/Millionaire era.
I think Desperate Housewives and Lost sorta created the era we're in now.
1987-2000 was a HUGE sitcom era, I've often said that too.
You probably could divide it into '87-92, and '93-early '00, the first part belonging to more family oriented/cheesy Saved By the Bell, Full House-type stuff, and the second part being more office or friend-related shows (Seinfeld, Friends, Just Shoot Me).
I also think in the post-1993 era, you could get away with more violence, sex and otherwise "taboo" things (i.e.
The Contest from Seinfeld).
In a way, this made stuff like South Park (slightly) more accessible when it came.
I think '94 is the first year that could've made it on TV.
Yeah, you could easily subdivide 1987-2000 into a few waves of sitcoms.
The first one that you mentioned was really jumpstarted by The Cosby Show premiering in 1985.
I see that sort of a throwback to the '50s-early '60s family sitcoms;
It probably even seemed a little dated at the time, which seemed to comfort people in the '80s.
And of course it was followed by the success of sitcoms that had been bouncing around by the early '80s and stuff like Full House and the rest of TGIF.
Roseanne, Married...with Children, The Simpsons were almost a reaction to Cosby, in terms of being more "realistic" and about middle-class to working-class families.
The peak of this sort of show was like, 1992.
Then there was the peak of the wave premiering from 1990-1994 in the mid-'90s, though those continued through the late '90s, and the sort of "final class" with Everybody Loves Raymond, Will and Grace, etc.
The second and third waves were inarguable '70s, Norman Lear-era throwbacks, and the shows that premiered in the mid-'80s seemed more like updated '50s/'60s throwbacks.
Part of the reason sitcoms have died so much is overexposure...there were SO many sitcoms on the air in the '90s that bringing back primetime soaps seemed like a good idea, for example, even if the current teen primetime soaps do root from stuff like Melrose Place, Beverly Hills 90210, Dawson's Creek, etc.
I think that those activity type shows and the primetime soaps are peaking around now, but the overexposure and copycat shows is what'll kill them, especially with the advent of cable.
The activity type shows that are successful, like America's Next Top Model, Project Runway, etc.
Immediately have five imitators on some cable channel, and there will always now be cable networks like Bravo, A&E, MTV, and VH1 that are churning out inferior reality product.
The primetime soaps are also being copied by the networks, probably...like there are too many forensic dramas at once now, and there were too many cop/legal dramas in the '90s.
The death of the sitcom around 1980 (it's first real death, which shows this death isn't permanent) was caused by the end of the interest in the Norman Lear style social commentary/progressive sitcoms, since people in the early '80s were more eager to forget the "progress" of the '70s.
That, and overexposure...there were too many sitcoms in the '70s.
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Bump...
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