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For those disenchanted with the GTA series, has GTA4 changed your mind? - NeoGAF
I want to hear from people who loved GTA3 but didnt care for the later games like GTA:VC and/or GTA:SA.
GTA3 was so fresh when I first picked it up.
I explored ever nook and killed every whore.
I bought the other two day one and barely put more than 4 hours into them.
It just wasnt fun for me.
The locals were different but it was cosmetic.
I was so enamored with the first game I looked past the controls.
But they just got more annoying to me as time went on.
So I guess my questions are...
What made you lose interest in GTA?
Has GTA4 corrected or at least improved things enough for you to enjoy the game again?
If you just flat out hate the series, please dont come in and rip the game.
Same goes for those who love all the games.
I happy you like the game but Im trying to get a different discussion going here.
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I think the story was the biggest improvement in GTA4, at least in my opinion.
The series really has "grown up" with it's characters and gritty atmosphere, rather than the cheesy, slap-stick action scenes from the former titles.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the previous games in the series, but I think Rockstar's changes really are for the better.
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GTA3 was especially great at the part where the game actually worked.
I think if GTA4 could taken a page out of its book in that area, it would have been a classic.
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Originally Posted by ggnoobIGN: GTA3 was especially great at the part where the game actually worked.
I think if GTA4 could taken a page out of its book in that area, it would have been a classic.
Isn't the problem with the system rather than the game?
My GTA4 works fine on both my launch 360 and 40gb PS3.
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GTA3 was the most awesome gaming experience in the world for me at the time.
I never bothered to finish Vice City, once "it's up to you" on the third and last part of the map.
I also never finished San Andreas, even though I played and enjoyed it a lot more than Vice City, I completely lost interest at the very end of the game, I have like, 4 missions left to do.
GTA4 isn't really different, it's just prettier.
It's exactly the same thing you did in the last 3 games but it plays and looks better.
It's not a revolution IMO and it doesn't deserve a 10 out of 10 ..
But it's good enough for me and it's the best free roaming experience you can get on the market right now.
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Originally Posted by UncleGuito: I think the story was the biggest improvement in GTA4, at least in my opinion.
The series really has "grown up" with it's characters and gritty atmosphere, rather than the cheesy, slap-stick action scenes from the former titles.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the previous games in the series, but I think Rockstar's changes really are for the better.
Agreed, its gone past underdeveloped storylines and one way plot.
GTA was always a fun sandbox, but now its a sandbox I actually care about.
Old GTAs once you stole some cars, drove around, did a few jumps.
Kill some cops and hookers, turn on a few of your crimebosses.
Thats ...it really.
Theres no real drive for anything else.
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Originally Posted by UncleGuito: Isn't the problem with the system rather than the game?
My GTA4 works fine on both my launch 360 and 40gb PS3.
I am kind of honestly starting to believe that this has become one of those bullet points where even people who haven't even tried it on their system will throw it out there constantly.
(Not saying that this is the case in this instance...)
I will say that the story is a great improvement, I would love the series to go in a more mature and intense path and less thuggish.
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Nope, it seems that success has changed them and that they don't need to listen to the community.
They should at least pay attention to the competitors such as Saint's Row and Crackdown because if they did, GTA4 would control like it has some fucking sense.
People complain about fighting the camera in a Ninja Gaiden game.
No, the battle for the camera here is way more intense.
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Dunno but i am loving the game so far
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Im interested in this as well.
I loved GTA3 and GTA:LCS.
The others I couldnt care less for.
Its very strange, I know.
Edit: Grammar correction!
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I've enjoyed most of the GTA's this one included, but those who've tired of the series even before SA released, I don't see IV changing their mind.
There is a stronger emphasis on relationships and story (I though SA did a pretty decent job here as well), but the gameplay is still GTA.
If you hate it, IV won't change your mind.
Its not as different as say FFXII was from the other FFs or RE4 was from the other RE's (and it wasn't THAT different).
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Q. What made you lose interest in GTA?
A.
Recycled gameplay mechanics, blatant storyline thievery of well-known Hollywood crime films, clunky combat.
In the case of GTA3, eventually the missions became too hard for me to bother with progressing any further.
In the case of GTA:SA, I just never got into the setting or storyline to play very far.
Q.
Has GTA4 corrected or at least improved things enough for you to enjoy the game again?
A.
Yes, one-hundred-fold.
Character development and dialogue is so engrossing.
As soon as the game starts, you get emotionally invested in these characters and want to see what happens to them through the course of the game.
Then the gameplay has been so polished and envigorated.
My hats off to Rockstar for re-injecting that sense of discovery and fun into the core game mechanics.
Same goes for the environment and all the little details, and a great design decision to keep the game grounded in reality instead of veering off into comic-book/video-game/this-is-all-just-blowing-stuff-up goofiness, which wouldn't have worked well with the grown-up characters and storyline.
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I loved 1 & 2 but never really got into 3, got bored of it pretty fast.
Didn't try the "expansions" as a result.
I really do enjoy 4 though, despite all its faults.
So... yes?
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Q. How awesome would it be for a Matrix game to take place in this engine?
A.
Very awesome.
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I never could finish GTA3, Vice City or San Andreas but GTA4s story and more interesting atmospheric city have really kept me interested, I'm probably not quite 40% done with the main story but thats further than I got with any previous GTAs.
Also I find myself actually enjoying the side quest stuff, something i never did in the other GTAs
My only gripe which I could see becoming a nuisance is that if you restart a mission you still have to drive all the way to the location.
I would kill for a checkpoint save right before you actually start the mission and am really suprised Rockstar didn't implement something like that.
It seems like no brainer.
Edit: My biggest fear is that as the missions get harder I will get too annoyed about having to drive back/find a cab to start the mission again that I may get frustrated and quit.
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I played GTA III and really enjoyed it.
Played about an hour of Vice City and never bothered with SA.
Primarily I stopped playing VC b/c of the clunky gameplay mechanics.
I hated the lock-on, and controlling that damn RC helicopter at the construction site in VC was an exercise is frustration.
GTA IV has fixed most of my issues with the gameplay, though some things are still borderline broken.
Turning off auto-aim solved so many of my issues, though.
But secondarily, I really didn't care for the glamorizing of thug life that the 2 sequels presented.
IV's story gets away from that and is much better for it.
One of the reason's I enjoyed Saint's Row was b/c it mocked that thug life so well.
Too well really, as some people think the game is supposed to be a "wigger fantasy".
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Nope. Like it about the same as the other ones.
Graphics look a little nicer so it has that draw, but otherwise just seems ok.
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I'm enjoying IV very much.
Loved GTA
Thought GTA 2 was ok, but didn't get into it.
Loved GTA III
Liked GTA VC, but didn't get far into it
Barely played GTA SA
Never touched the Side-Stories games.
But I'm like that with nearly all series.
I tend to enjoy the first release on a generation, but don't like playing through a sequel on the same generation unless it is fundamently different.
Played Gran Turismo (PS1)
Skipped Gran Turismo 2 (PS1)
Played Gran Turismo 3 (PS2)
Skipped Gran Turismo 4 (PS2)
Played Final Fantasy VII (PS1)
Played Final Fantasy VIII (PS1)
Skipped Final Fantasy IX (PS1)
Played Final Fantasy X (PS2)
Skipped Final Fantasy X-2 (PS2)
Skipped Final Fantasy XII (PS2)
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I never finished a GTA, played a bit of 3 and VC though.
My main issue with them is the re-doing the mission over and over and having to drive there to start.
The mission difficulty is also high variance, I eventually would run into a mission I could not finich (VC was go to the mall and small windows in some time limit).
GTA4 seems much better, but still has issues like lots of driving to a start point.
Why not just restart at the destination arrow?
I also hated the shooting mechanics in previous GTA games and the new system is much better.
I love free aiming for headshots from cover.
Driving is the same floaty spinning out crap, but maybe I just suck.
I'm really hoping to finish GTA4, the main story is nice, currently at 29%.
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I owned all the GTAs from last gen but never played them more than messing around.
I've put over 30 hours into part 4 so far and I think it's because I like the story and Niko is a pretty cool character.
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Originally Posted by DeadGzuz: I never finished a GTA, played a bit of 3 and VC though.
My main issue with them is the re-doing the mission over and over and having to drive there to start.
The mission difficulty is also high variance, I eventually would run into a mission I could not finich (VC was go to the mall and small windows in some time limit).
GTA4 seems much better, but still has issues like lots of driving to a start point.
Why not just restart at the destination arrow?
I also hated the shooting mechanics in previous GTA games and the new system is much better.
I love free aiming for headshots from cover.
Driving is the same floaty spinning out crap, but maybe I just suck.
I'm really hoping to finish GTA4, the main story is nice, currently at 29%.
My feelings exactly, I wonder if this is something that could be fixed in an update?
I really feel this may end up being a gamebreaker for me.
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This is a thread made for me.
I played VC and spent a couple of hours on missions, but it didn't really grab me (shitty shooting mechanics, overall I thought the game was too ugly).
Then the IV trailers hit and I thought they looked amazing.
Even after playing the game for several hours I went back to watch those trailers again and I'm still in love with them, so well done.
But anyway, that's not the point.
After those trailers I was convinced I'd give IV a shot since Niko as a character intrigued me.
My intuition rarely deceives me and I indeed love IV.
I played some III before IV came out to get some perspective, but that game feels insanely dated to me, in all aspects.
I doubt I can go back to other 3D games in the series, even though I'm kinda interested in San Andreas now that I've heard certain people claiming it's still the best gta.
Maybe I'll play that one someday.
So right now my gta played list is: finished 2, couple of hours in 3 and VC, totally in love with 4.
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Not even a little.
It's just as buggy and overhyped as I've always remembered.
I guess I just don't get the same thrill as being s badass as other people do and I prefer the burnout series for driving through traffic now.
I dont even find the story in GTA to be nearly as great as everyone was making it out to be.
It starts off really strong but starts slowing way down around the middle.
ALSO: Never played VC or San Andres (just GTA3) as my ps2 broke around this time, switched to a halo box and never looked back.
Don't regret it either, as VC and San Andres began to interest me less and less after the initial impact of GTA3.
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The opposite. Loved the series, got the new one, realized 'next-gen' is 90% hype and 10% crap.
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I've been following/playing the series since the PSone days..played them all from GTA on PS1 to GTA: Vice City Stories on PSP...
(though according to Gilbert Carreras I may not be a big fan..:p)
My current situation with GTA is that ..I don't hate it, but I'm just not interested on it anymore..
Yeah IV is great (from whtat I've seen and played)..but...
Originally Posted by Xenon: What made you lose interest in GTA?
I think it was mostly all the "hype" around it.
I can understand people interested on it because they have been playing the series for years, or people that want to get it because they want to know "what's the deal with it?"..but, I've seen many people just getting it ..because "It's GTAIV duh!" and "It looks amazing and you can do stuff like...steal cars, kill people";
But there's no genuine interest..is like many people are just getting it because "it's the cool thing to do"...or like a few people I know, didn't even preordered the game because they were just not interested;
One even preordered it and then canceled it because "he didn't liked GTA anyway"..then GTAIV is released, hype everywere, and they both 'had to get it';
And I'm not going to say which game they even sold just to get it.
:p
They got the game, and.."Is okay..I guess"...
Originally Posted by Xenon: Has GTA4 corrected or at least improved things enough for you to enjoy the game again?
From what I've played and stuff, yeah..but I'm just not interested.
Online is cool and fun, but..I don't mind (or care)...
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GTA4 is the only one I like
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I wasn't necessarily disenchanted with the series, but after spending hundreds of hours playing GTA3, Vice City and San Andreas just weren't fresh enough for me.
I didn't like Vice City or San Andreas as much as Liberty City either.
I kind of liked the setting and story of Vice City, and the 80s soundtrack was awesome, but for some reason I just lost interest in the game.
I never even bought San Andreas and only played it a bit at my friend's house, but the lower framerate in a series with an already low framerate really didn't do it for me.
GTA4, on the other hand, is completely awesome in my opinion.
A lot of people bitch about the controls, and I actually did too for the first few days, but I think they work great once you get used to them.
Everything feels like it actually has weight and that really helps add a sense of realism to the game world.
The controls are frustrating when you first start the game, but I am used to them by now and actually prefer them over Saints Row's.
GTA4, to me, represents the ultimate refinement of the series.
The graphics, story, characters and setting are all just superb.
Right from the beginning I felt engrossed in the story and it only gets better as you go on.
The missions offer enough variety in my opinion, and there are plenty of things to do on the side to keep the player from getting bored.
Overall it is just a really polished package.
The only thing I don't really like about the game is it's poor framerate (I own it on both systems), and the music selection which doesn't really suit my tastes.
Otherwise it's my game of the decade so far!
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I didn't finish any of the previous GTA games.
They were fun to screw around with for a bit, but I quickly lost interest.
I finished GTA4 last night and generally enjoyed it.
It's an amalgamation of various game concepts, and no single one is highly polished, but taken as a whole, it's an impressive experience.
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Originally Posted by Mammothtank: Played Gran Turismo (PS1)
Skipped Gran Turismo 2 (PS1)
Played Gran Turismo 3 (PS2)
Skipped Gran Turismo 4 (PS2) *facepalm* you're doing it wrong ;)
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I'd also like to add that GTA and it's subsequent culture is a big part of my embarassement for being American.
See also xbox live.
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I thought I was burning myself out a little on GTA4 the other night as I felt the urge to play it start to fade.
But then I picked up the controller, and accidentally triggered a police star, which dominos into an all-out rampage war against the cops, and pretty soon I found myself red-eyed and 3am in front of the TV.
Best game ever.
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Originally Posted by Dirtbag 504: not even a little.
It's just as buggy and overhyped as I've always remembered.
I guess I just don't get the same thrill as being s badass as other people do and I prefer the burnout series for driving through traffic now.
I dont even find the story in GTA to be nearly as great as everyone was making it out to be.
It starts off really strong but starts slowing way down around the middle.
ALSO: Never played VC or San Andres (just GTA3) as my ps2 broke around this time, switched to a halo box and never looked back.
Don't regret it either, as VC and San Andres began to interest me less and less after the initial impact of GTA3.
The story does slow down a bit mid-way, but did you play it through to the end?
It gets really good in my opinion.
Also you could have gotten better versions (from what I hear) of VC and San Andreas on your Halo box.
Originally Posted by Dirtbag 504: I'd also like to add that GTA and it's subsequent culture is a big part of my embarassement for being American.
See also xbox live.
I'm curious what "subsequent culture" do you believe GTA spawns?
If you were talking about Saints Row, I would agree...
But GTA?
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Originally Posted by Zefah: The story does slow down a bit mid-way, but did you play it through to the end?
It gets really good in my opinion.
Also you could have gotten better versions (from what I hear) of VC and San Andreas on your Halo box.
I'm curious what "subsequent culture" do you believe GTA spawns?
If you were talking about Saints Row, I would agree...
But GTA?
I plan on finishing it, but I'm prolly closer to 60-70% there if I had to guess.
Not spawns, the american culture that produces the stereotypes seen in the games.
this also comes to mind
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Well, apart from the graphics, the gunfighting (well, the cover system isn't that great though, it's very clumsy) and the lack of those really frustrating mission I'd say this game plays almost exactly like before.
But with a better story.
I mean, there are - like I just said - a handful of differences, but not that many.
With that said, I still think it's a great game.
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Well i actually finished the story in this one
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I hated all the GTA's, I like IV because I can actually aim my weapon
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I loved GTA4 for about 30 hours, then over 10 hours began to hate it.
I had low expectations going in, but now I really want them to fix the many things broken in IV.
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Originally Posted by ItsInMyVeins: Well, apart from the graphics, the gunfighting (well, the cover system isn't that great though, it's very clumsy) and the lack of those really frustrating mission I'd say this game plays almost exactly like before.
But with a better story.
I mean, there are - like I just said - a handful of differences, but not that many.
With that said, I still think it's a great game.
Yeah, I don't get how people could really be doing flips unless their #1 problem with the old games was simply the story and now that it's better they love the game again.
Since GTAIV is pretty much the same as GTAIII+expansions the breakdown should be:
People who loved GTAIII ->
Love GTAIV
People who didn't like GTAIII ->
Don't like GTAIV
This is no RE4 major change that would make those who didn't like the prior games suddenly get on board and love this one.
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I was very sick of GTA games by the time of San Andreas.
It wasn't because of the characters or the themes or story - in my case it was the world was too big and it felt too easy to get lost in.
I never learnt the layout of the city nor felt motivated to do so as with GTA3 or VC.
The sense of the world in those two games was superior to that in SA, though I do admire what they did with SA on a technical level.
I think I was sandboxed out.
Hell, I couldnt really get into Just Cause, Crackdown, Saints Row or any other similar game.
GTA4 though is damn good fun.
It's like the next level above what San Andreas seemed like it was doing, only with a more focussed sense of 'place'.
There is nothing really that different about the gameplay admittedly.
But taking a break from the genre has really made me appreciate what can be done in it.
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Originally Posted by Bebpo: This is no RE4 major change that would make those who didn't like the prior games suddenly get on board and love this one.
Pretty much my feelings too, but the surroundings do look stunningly good and that might count for something.
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I haven't enjoyed GTA in the least since III.
SA and VC were completely dull and boring to me.
GTAIV is fucking awesome.
So far beyond any of the others.
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I thought GTA3 sucked, crappy graphics made it unplayable for me, but GTAIV is all kinds of fun.
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Originally Posted by ItsInMyVeins: Pretty much my feelings too, but the surroundings do look stunningly good and that might count for something.
I agree and disagree.
Its a huge jump for the series.
Beyond just looking good, the physics adds a ton to the gameplay.
The sheer randomness makes it endlessly enjoyable.
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Originally Posted by Bebpo: Yeah, I don't get how people could really be doing flips unless their #1 problem with the old games was simply the story and now that it's better they love the game again.
Since GTAIV is pretty much the same as GTAIII+expansions the breakdown should be:
People who loved GTAIII ->
Love GTAIV
People who didn't like GTAIII ->
Don't like GTAIV
This is no RE4 major change that would make those who didn't like the prior games suddenly get on board and love this one.
Pretty much my thoughts.
I love all of them, but GTA4 just feels like the same old thing to me, for the most part.
Not that I mind. Some tweaks, but nothing I thought could change people's feelings.
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I have never enjoyed gta or any sandbox/open world game for that matter.
But i have to say that the single player is pretty cool, so i can see why people like it, but i wouldnt play it through.
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Originally Posted by Xenon: I want to hear from people who loved GTA3 but didnt care for the later games like GTA:VC and/or GTA:SA.
GTA3 was so fresh when I first picked it up.
I explored ever nook and killed every whore.
I bought the other two day one and barely put more than 4 hours into them.
It just wasnt fun for me.
The locals were different but it was cosmetic.
I was so enamored with the first game I looked past the controls.
But they just got more annoying to me as time went on.
I don't know why, but this made me laugh out loud.
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I loved GTA3 and played a ton of it.
I played some of Vice City and liked it but I didn't finish it.
When I played San Andreas and later one of the PSP GTAs I started to believe the series is now just recycling itself.
I wasn't even really looking forward to IV.
Now I am 25% through IV, and i'm sure i'm going to finish this one.
The old GTA games did a lot of things decently to make the overall game good.
This one does a lot of things great to make the overall game incredible.
Everything is improved.
Graphics, physics, story, driving, shooting, mission variety, the city itself.
And multiplayer is great too.
So far this is probably the best game I have played this generation.
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It still retains that wobbly feeling (and I'm not referring to Niko's boat turning radius) that the old games had, which is just very bizarre IMO.
The number of times you find yourself screaming, "GODDAMNIT THAT IS RIDICULOUS," at the screen has gone way down, so at least that is an improvement.
edit: I really don't think "new physics!" was what anyone had in mind when Rockstar promised "Things Will Be Different."
Quote: : Everything is improved.
Graphics, physics, story, driving, shooting, mission variety
No.
Everything else yes.
Mission variety no.
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Yes, it has.
I think my main problem with the old 3D GTA games was the main characters.
I never liked them, but Nico is a really good charater, and the immigrant theme running throughout the game better than the themes from the last two games (in my opinion).
Also, I really like the aiming system now.
It's not perfect, but it's so much better than the terrible systems in the last games.
It's a real joy to tweak your lock-on aim and take a guy down in a single shot.
Edit: Can't say enough good things about the graphics, physics and animation systems either.
Wow.
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Originally Posted by Y2Kev: It still retains that wobbly feeling (and I'm not referring to Niko's boat turning radius) that the old games had, which is just very bizarre IMO.
The number of times you find yourself screaming, "GODDAMNIT THAT IS RIDICULOUS," at the screen has gone way down, so at least that is an improvement.
I'm glad they got rid of the time limit missions and thank god there's only one racing mission(that's part of the main storyline) this time around unless my memory fails me.
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