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The Official Barack Obama & John McCain 2008 Presidential Campaign Thread - PS3Forums
EDIT: This is now the official thread to talk about both candidates, Barack Obama and John McCain;
The Democats and the Republicans...and even the Independents (yes, I'm talking about you, Vulgotha).
I felt this was necessary because there has been a recent influx in traffic for talk on John McCain, and believed that it was necessary for others to talk about both of the presidential candidates.
Please take other people's posts into consideration, regardless of the opposing content.
Secondly, provide facts and/or sources when backing up your supposed claims.
If you are to report someone's posts for breaking the rules, please make sure it actually abides by the forum rules -- not because the person being reported has a different opinion, or just doesn't agree with what you're saying.
Also, please take into consideration that I can not always offer my opinion on the discussions being posted in this thread.
This does not mean you can just run amok with your political beliefs or claims.
I am still going to check on how this thread progresses overtime.
Lastly, I have not come to a decision on whether or not to support Barack Obama (the Democratic nominee) or John McCain (the Republican nominee).
I used to support Barack Obama.
But, lately, I have to agree with some of the stuff that Vulgotha has stated recently.
Not that I'm not choosing anyone, it's just that I have to look at things in every angle.
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Bros before hoes...
That's all I have to say!
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Won't support him and will never support him.
He can preach about all his ideas, just like every candidate for that matter, but when it comes down to it the Senate and Congress have the final say.
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Gotta say I like McCain better.
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Quote: : Gotta say I like McCain better.
I guess, but I'm weary of voting for another Republican.
That's just me.
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Simarly:
He really moves me when he speaks.
he makes me believe that we can make a difference and turn things around.
Notice I said we and not he.
He preaches unity and compromise- and I think we can all agree that Republicans are not opposed to working him on the issues that matter.
Liberals, independents, and sane republicans like him...
And that is a large majority of the country.
We haven't seen this kind of unity for a long time.
And like the OP said- many people have seen this kind of admiration for a politician since JFK or his brother...
I think this guy could be something special and just what the nation needs.
I agree "We are not as divided as our politics suggest" and "we can "heal this nation"
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Sure he may TALK a good game, but in the end will he really do what he says he will?
He claims he will heal the nation.
Raising taxes - That is more like a way to break this nation and the economy.
End the War - We need to keep the fight on the ENEMIES soil.
I can go on and on.
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Quote: : End the War - We need to keep the fight on the ENEMIES soil.
So you're saying we should keep our troops in Iraq?
Why?
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Quote: : Sure he may TALK a good game, but in the end will he really do what he says he will?
He claims he will heal the nation.
Raising taxes - That is more like a way to break this nation and the economy.
End the War - We need to keep the fight on the ENEMIES soil.
I can go on and on.
Um no.
he wants to repeal the Bush tax cuts...
And go back to the way it was at the end of the clinto term.
tax cuts during a war = dumbass
sorry.
Its true.
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Quote: : So you're saying we should keep our troops in Iraq?
Why? Because if we leave they will all be saying, "WE BEAT THE U.S!" They will rebuild Al-Qaeda and attack us again.
Then say hello to 9/11 take 2.
KEEP THE FIGHT ON THE ENEMY'S SOIL!
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Quote: : Because if we leave they will all be saying, "WE BEAT THE U.S!" They will rebuild Al-Qaeda and attack us again.
Then say hello to 9/11 take 2.
KEEP THE FIGHT ON THE ENEMY'S SOIL!
Since when did Iraq attacked the USA?
There will be no 9/11 when the whole Bush administration is gone.
It is this mentality that will bring down America.
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I just wanted to comment about some things.
9/11 didn't happen because of the Bush admin, it is something that had been in the works for much longer, and carried out numerous times on a much smaller scale.
As far as the war goes, it is not NEARLY as bad there as the media makes it out to be.
I recently separated from the military, have many friends over there, and I was also in the region, albeit not Iraq.
The vast majority of that country is civil and is happy to have us doing what we have been doing there.
It's the minority, the fighters which have entered the country which have caused the problems in the hostile pockets.
As far as tax cuts, it goes much further than the war.
The government...
ALL OF THEM, spend WAY to much.
War time or not. The Government has gone WAY over board spending wise, and this latest $600 tax credit is just another example.
The more they tax, the more they will spend.
The only way I think spending can be controlled is if they have less money to spend...
And even that probably won't work.
I don't particularly care for any of the idiots, Republican or Democrat.
Hillary and Obama will probably both be massive spenders, and Bush, who wasn't supposed to be, turned out to be one too.
As far as Mccain, I don't really care for him much either, but I don't think his spending is quite as bad as the others who remain.
He is big on military spending, which can be bad, but hopefully he won't load up on social programs if he were to win.
I think Romney would have been better than any of the remaining candidates, but that's just me.
I know one thing, while he was governor, he wasn't a massive spender.
That is something we desperately need.
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Its pretty simple, because he addresses that will really affect the average person...
not primarily the businessman.
I will have the confidence that he will stand up for us, and
not change his policies and principles like Hillary Clinton due to lobbyists or businessmen.
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Quote: : Because if we leave they will all be saying, "WE BEAT THE U.S!" They will rebuild Al-Qaeda and attack us again.
Then say hello to 9/11 take 2.
KEEP THE FIGHT ON THE ENEMY'S SOIL!
I'm sorry but kids like you are misinformed, seriously.
Iraq was NEVER behind the 9/11 attacks.
If we leave they won't act like little 5-year olds going, "WE BEAT THE U.S!" This is a massive ever-increasing terrorist cell from the middle east we're talking about.
Not some 5-year old "boys only" treehouse gang.
Welcome to the real world where things work a lot differently than Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.
Please do some research before talking politics, please.
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Quote: : I'm sorry but kids like you are misinformed, seriously.
Iraq was NEVER behind the 9/11 attacks.
If we leave they won't act like little 5-year olds going, "WE BEAT THE U.S!" This is a massive ever-increasing terrorist cell from the middle east we're talking about.
Not some 5-year old "boys only" treehouse gang.
Welcome to the real world where things work a lot differently than Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare.
Please do some research before talking politics, please.
He's like 14 and from Texas...
just let it slide :
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Quote: : I just wanted to comment about some things.
9/11 didn't happen because of the Bush admin, it is something that had been in the works for much longer, and carried out numerous times on a much smaller scale.
As far as the war goes, it is not NEARLY as bad there as the media makes it out to be.
I recently separated from the military, have many friends over there, and I was also in the region, albeit not Iraq.
The vast majority of that country is civil and is happy to have us doing what we have been doing there.
It's the minority, the fighters which have entered the country which have caused the problems in the hostile pockets.
As far as tax cuts, it goes much further than the war.
The government...
ALL OF THEM, spend WAY to much.
War time or not. The Government has gone WAY over board spending wise, and this latest $600 tax credit is just another example.
The more they tax, the more they will spend.
The only way I think spending can be controlled is if they have less money to spend...
And even that probably won't work.
I don't particularly care for any of the idiots, Republican or Democrat.
Hillary and Obama will probably both be massive spenders, and Bush, who wasn't supposed to be, turned out to be one too.
As far as Mccain, I don't really care for him much either, but I don't think his spending is quite as bad as the others who remain.
He is big on military spending, which can be bad, but hopefully he won't load up on social programs if he were to win.
I think Romney would have been better than any of the remaining candidates, but that's just me.
I know one thing, while he was governor, he wasn't a massive spender.
That is something we desperately need.
Please stop blaming the media for portraying the war as going badly.
the generals themselves got on tv and said "****'s hitting the fan"
2005-2006 were just flat out botched- and everybody but die-hard republicans can see that.
Luckily, things seem to be getting better.
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Quote: : um no.
he wants to repeal the Bush tax cuts...
And go back to the way it was at the end of the clinto term.
tax cuts during a war = dumbass
sorry.
Its true. Yes, lets go back to the way it was when Clinton was leaving office.
The .com busts, the rising inflation, and no more tax cuts for those EVIL RICH PEOPLE.
Those s, who the hell do they think they are working long hard hours and making A PROFIT!
ALL PROFITS ARE EVIL!!!
Sheesh, don't people know that yet?
Tax cuts during a war = brilliant
Government receipts are the highest they have ever been, LOOK IT UP and stop following like blind sheep cuz someone runs around talking about how I will bring change and I have hope for the future that in the future I will bring change.
His speeches are an infinite loop of total nothingness just like all the race card, gender card, sex card, and status card players.
OBAMA = JIMMY CARTER those 4 years were fantastic weren't they?
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Quote: : Yes, lets go back to the way it was when Clinton was leaving office.
The .com busts, the rising inflation, and no more tax cuts for those EVIL RICH PEOPLE.
Those s, who the hell do they think they are working long hard hours and making A PROFIT!
ALL PROFITS ARE EVIL!!!
Sheesh, don't people know that yet?
Tax cuts during a war = brilliant
Government receipts are the highest they have ever been, LOOK IT UP and stop following like blind sheep cuz someone runs around talking about how I will bring change and I have hope for the future that in the future I will bring change.
His speeches are an infinite loop of total nothingness just like all the race card, gender card, sex card, and status card players.
OBAMA = JIMMY CARTER those 4 years were fantastic weren't they?
um the 90s saw unprecedented economic growth...
receipts???
We're fighting a billion dollar a week war...
And you pass tax cuts???
(correction- 18 million dollars an hour)
is there any wonder why we are on the edge of a a recession???
Obama represents a move away from 51-49 politics.
That **** clearly hasn't worked out for us to well.
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typical republican banter:
All rich people work hard and deserve to be treated better than anyone else
and all poor people are lazy, fat sinners who want gay marriage and abortions.
please
why can't rich people pay taxes like everyone else???
why do they deserve tax cuts???
why should companies that move their facotires to china and their HQ to Dubai get a tax break???
defies all logic...
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I like Obama, because he looks forward not back.
His head is in the clouds, but his feet are on the ground.
He looks back, but moves forward with steadyness.
When other people zig, he zags, when he looks forward, he looks back, but not as far back as forward.
Others like to go straight down the path, Obama goes upside down, in or out, without worrying about looking back.
There are no color boundries, forward, but only back, where whites, blacks, and latino's can move forward together, with their toes in the sand, and head moving forward together in steadyness.
He can unite the past with the future, skipping the present, by looking to the clouds, not behind or diagonal, but with progress to the present, by skipping history to the future and beyond.
Where he doesnt look at the past of the broken entitlement programs such as social security, but looks forward to another broken entitlement universal healthcare.
All with his feet secured by the future of the forward movement while giving hope not to the past, but to the future of the present.
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Quote: :
um the 90s saw unprecedented economic growth...
receipts???
We're fighting a billion dollar a week war...
And you pass tax cuts???
(correction- 18 million dollars an hour)
is there any wonder why we are on the edge of a a recession???
Obama represents a move away from 51-49 politics.
That **** clearly hasn't worked out for us to well.
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typical republican banter:
All rich people work hard and deserve to be treated better than anyone else
and all poor people are lazy, fat sinners who want gay marriage and abortions.
please
why can't rich people pay taxes like everyone else???
why do they deserve tax cuts???
why should companies that move their facotires to china and their HQ to Dubai get a tax break???
defies all logic...
The end of the 90's was a disaster and if it wasn't for people standing up to the Clintons in the house the whole 90's would've been the late 70's all over.
" and all poor people are lazy, fat sinners who want gay marriage and abortions."
Your putting words in my mouth.
" why can't rich people pay taxes like everyone else???"
We do pay.
Way more than anyone else does.
AGAIN, do some research.
These tax cuts that have apparently benefited only the rich guess what the so called rich are paying a BIGGER YES BIGGER portion of all tax receipts than ever.
Why should people with more money get more of a tax break?
Show me the person this isn't considered rich that ever made new jobs available in the economy.
What people seems to forget is that the so called rich are the same people that open small businesses and hire people to work and pay them and give them benefits.
OH YES, those evil **
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You conveniently skipped the china and dubai post.
and you're twisting things yourself.
sure the rich pay more...
But PERCENTAGE-WISE- they pay less...
Cuz they get tax cuts.
I don't get why you aren't grasping that.
it's math- not complicated.
and these rich business owners that you defned care about one thing.
Profit.
nothing else matters including the jobs they create of the people that fill them.
AND WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SCREWING THEM
they shoud pay the same taxes that joe smoe pays.
No more, no less.
again- PERCENTAGE-WISE
and are you really blaming the clintons for the .com bubble???
you're better off just giving the credit for the 90s to the republican congress...
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Quote: : you conveniently skipped the china and dubai post.
and you're twisting things yourself.
sure the rich pay more...
But PERCENTAGE-WISE- they pay less...
Cuz they get tax cuts.
I don't get why you aren't grasping that.
it's math- not complicated.
and these rich business owners that you defned care about one thing.
Profit.
nothing else matters including the jobs they create of the people that fill them.
AND WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SCREWING THEM
they shoud pay the same taxes that joe smoe pays.
No more, no less.
again- PERCENTAGE-WISE
and are you really blaming the clintons for the .com bubble???
you're better off just giving the credit for the 90s to the republican congress...
I agree with companies that outsource jobs suck.
But when they get taxed to death just to do business in America (America has the highest corporate tax rate of the world) then who can blame them?
How about a tax break for companies that do keep their businesses here?
When did profits become evil?
How does a business survive if you don't make profits?
The purpose of a business is NOT to provide heallthcare, NOT to provide paid vacation, NOT to be an employee's babysitter and to manage every aspect of their life, BUT to MAKE MONEY.
All that other stuff (paid vacation, health benefits, etc.) WONT happen if there are NO PROFITS.
No profits means the business closes its doors and the "small people" that worked there are now out of jobs.
Why are profits so evil?
I do know the percentages, I googled "us who pays taxes." This was the first match:
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/income...hopaysmost.htm
Nice small article.
I do grasp percentages.
I grasp that the percentages weigh HEAVILY in favor of low income earners.
If you really want an equal percentage among all tax payers then how about a FLAT TAX?
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Daywalker is a hypocrite, first he complains, and asks that why do the RICH need tax breaks, then he complains about corporations moving over seas in the same post.
Does this guy even understand what he is saying, or just spouts off talking point?
I wonder if Daywalker realize's that the corporate tax rate in the United States is the second highest in the world at 39%.
So the corporations move oversea's because the federal government taxs them SO much.
So what would prevent them from moving over sea's is to give them better tax breaks, but then that would be giving the RICH tax breaks.
So what the hell is daywalker actually complaining about, he doesnt even know himself.
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Quote: : I wonder if Daywalker realize's that the corporate tax rate in the United States is the second highest in the world at 39%.
So the corporations move oversea's because the federal government taxs them SO much.
So what would prevent them from moving over sea's is to give them better tax breaks, but then that would be giving the RICH tax breaks.
Are you sure it's the second highest?
I thought it was the highest, lol.
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Quote: : please stop blaming the media for portraying the war as going badly.
the generals themselves got on tv and said "****'s hitting the fan"
2005-2006 were just flat out botched- and everybody but die-hard republicans can see that.
Luckily, things seem to be getting better.
You can go by what you see on the news, and I will base my ideas on the war from my experience.
That's fine, and I am not going to argue about it because you obviously don't care to look at it from someone else's point of view.
Edit: 2005/06 were fairly rough, but it's still isolated.
It's the minority.
As far as right now, Gen.
Petraeus just did an interview last week where he said things weren't going very bad at all.
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My bad, were tied for the 3rd highest according to this web site:
http://www.worldwide-tax.com/index.asp#partthree
Would you believe Russia and China have lower corporate tax rates than us?
LOL, that is a sad pathetic joke.
No wonder why there are so many game developers in China lol.
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Quote: : Daywalker is a hypocrite, first he complains, and asks that why do the RICH need tax breaks, then he complains about corporations moving over seas in the same post.
Does this guy even understand what he is saying, or just spouts off talking point?
I wonder if Daywalker realize's that the corporate tax rate in the United States is the second highest in the world at 39%.
So the corporations move oversea's because the federal government taxs them SO much.
So what would prevent them from moving over sea's is to give them better tax breaks, but then that would be giving the RICH tax breaks.
So what the hell is daywalker actually complaining about, he doesnt even know himself.
We're a super power with an ecomy that drives the rest of the world...
Why would you expect it to be different???
my argument is that even with the special treatment these corporations are getting...
they are shipping jobs to china, to maximize their profits even more.
that does not create jobs...
It just hurts the middle class.
I have nothing against profit.
But how often does that profit trickle down to the workers???
We all know that it usually doesn't.
Quote: : You can go by what you see on the news, and I will base my ideas on the war from my experience.
That's fine, and I am not going to argue about it because you obviously don't care to look at it from someone else's point of view.
Well aren't you just the pot calling the kettle black
I listen to the generals in charge that are on the news...
Its not like I'm quoting wolf blitzer...
and you aren't the only ones with friends in the military...
Opinions vary sir.
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patreus said things are better...
Just like i did in my last post.
why are they better?
B/c rummy got the boot and bush finally started listening to people who know what the hell they are talking about (e.g.
McCain)
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I think one of the most annoying aspects on the war and how the media portrays it is that as soon as something bad is said about the war (which is basically ALL THE TIME) liberals come out of the woodworks and have a field day with the material.
And I'm not saying it's a bad thing to protest the war.
Just that people like liberals on their public radio talkshows constantly put the blame on everyone.
I want the war to end too, believe me, I want our troops home.
But sometimes liberals need to shut up.
Hopefully when and if Barack Obama attains his presidency and pulls our troops out of the war, we can all listen to something other than liberals yammer on and on about the war.
We are the ones we've been waiting for, as Barack Obama put it.
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Quote: :
well aren't you just the pot calling the kettle black
I listen to the generals in charge that are on the news...
Its not like I'm quoting wolf blitzer...
and you aren't the only ones with friends in the military...
Opinions vary sir.
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patreus said things are better...
Just like i did in my last post.
why are they better?
B/c rummy got the boot and bush finally started listening to people who know what the hell they are talking about (e.g.
McCain) How am I the pot calling the kettle black?
I am basing my opinion on first hand experience and current reports from people who are there.
I actually spoke with some generals why I was over in the desert.
I was a fluke that I happened to be in the same place at the same time, but none the less, it happened.
Also, I don't think I look at this the same way.
I never did care for Rumsfeld for various different reasons, not just because of the war.
He made many other decisions that affected the DOD in a negative way outside of the actual war.
As far as Bush is concerned, I think he is a pretty smart guy that surrounded himself with all the wrong people...
For the most part....
But that is another discussion.
But, like you said, I am not the only one with friends in the military, that's a given.
But I did say I wasn't basing my opinion on that alone.
I am basing on my time over there, everyone I know that is over there, which I promise you is more than just a few friends since I just got out of the military, and will possibly rejoin when I am done with my degree.
It's just not as bad as it seems.
Sure, some areas are pretty dangerous, but if you look at the big picture, it's not quite so gloomy as it's made out to be IMO.
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Quote: : I think one of the most annoying aspects on the war and how the media portrays it is that as soon as something bad is said about the war (which is basically ALL THE TIME) liberals come out of the woodworks and have a field day with the material.
And I'm not saying it's a bad thing to protest the war.
Just that people like liberals on their public radio talkshows constantly put the blame on everyone.
I want the war to end too, believe me, I want our troops home.
But sometimes liberals need to shut up.
Hopefully when and if Barack Obama attains his presidency and pulls our troops out of the war, we can all listen to something other than liberals yammer on and on about the war.
We are the ones we've been waiting for, as Barack Obama put it.
Yep, they will jump on the second they hear about a new car bombing or something.
But if a new school was built, if the iraqi's are working together, if more kids are getting medicine, the Iraqi army is taking over security, if car bombings have dropped, if al-qaeda is getting destroyed, these will be mentioned maybe on page 26c, below some article on polar bears dying.
Im more conservative, so i wont be voting democrat this election.
But the thing that makes me like Obama over hillary is he has his positions, and he doesnt flip flop 17 times on the Iraq war like Hillary.
He doesnt have a spouse as an ex president running around (caught on tape on a radio show) saying "so get out and vote for me (Bill)".
But what gets me angry is they are trying to "sell" their votes.
They both have huge entitlement programs that a bound to fail like social security and medicare.
They will everyyear grow more into debt and who gets the bill, us, and our children when we grow up.
Its like if your parents went on a huge spending spree with their credit card, died and you're stuck with their half assed items, that now YOU owe the collection agency (government) for.
And you tell yourself, wtf i didnt want this mess they created, why am i getting stuck with the bill.
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Quote: : Yep, they will jump on the second they hear about a new car bombing or something.
But if a new school was built, if the iraqi's are working together, if more kids are getting medicine, the Iraqi army is taking over security, if car bombings have dropped, if al-qaeda is getting destroyed, these will be mentioned maybe on page 26c, below some article on polar bears dying.
Im more conservative, so i wont be voting democrat this election.
But the thing that makes me like Obama over hillary is he has his positions, and he doesnt flip flop 17 times on the Iraq war like Hillary.
He doesnt have a spouse as an ex president running around (caught on tape on a radio show) saying "so get out and vote for me (Bill)".
But what gets me angry is they are trying to "sell" their votes.
They both have huge entitlement programs that a bound to fail like social security and medicare.
They will everyyear grow more into debt and who gets the bill, us, and our children when we grow up.
Its like if your parents went on a huge spending spree with their credit card, died and you're stuck with their half assed items, that now YOU owe the collection agency (government) for.
And you tell yourself, wtf i didnt want this mess they created, why am i getting stuck with the bill.
Quick question...
hows the Bush Admin doing with that whole fiscal responsibility thing???
less spending...
Smaller governement...
You know all that Regean stuff???
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Quote: : quick question...
hows the Bush Admin doing with that whole fiscal responsibility thing???
less spending...
Smaller governement...
You know all that Regean stuff???
Bush and the CURRENT Congress are horrible on spending....
I do believe that it's one of the reasons the Congress approval rating is SO low.
Bush has been fairly big on spending, but a large part of that has been the war.
I don't like his spending though, nor do I like the spending Congress has been passing.
I don't care for many of them at all right now.
The two Candidates I did like are long gone, Rudy and Romney.
The reason I don't care for Hillary is spending (and many other reasons), and the main reasons I couldn't find myself voting for Obama is universal health care and spending.
But, his spending might not be as bad as Hillary....
Who knows, he hasn't been in Congress very long at all.
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Quote: : hows the Bush Admin doing with that whole fiscal responsibility thing???
less spending...
Smaller governement...
You know all that Regean stuff???
Last thing I know Bush was announcing to everyone, "They tried to kill mah dadday!" I think I'm a couple years behind.
Oh well.
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Quote: : quick question...
hows the Bush Admin doing with that whole fiscal responsibility thing???
less spending...
Smaller governement...
You know all that Regean stuff???
He has spent like a drunken liberal, same as the reps in congress.
Thats why the republicans lost their majority in congress in 06, not because the Iraq war, but because they strayed from their principles.
So i cant disagree with you on that.
I also dont like Bush's stance on the McCain Kennedy immigration bill, wont hear me side with him on that either.
I'm not a blind follower of any party.
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Obama's healthcare isn't universal.
he only mandates it for children.
(edit- correction- Bush the current congress and the congress since 2000= bad spending)
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The sad thing is that the people think that emancipating Bush (i.e.
Taking the president out of office) will just immediately solve everything.
But it's not that simple.
It'd be a pretty dumb move to take any president out of office during any war.
And even if you take Bush out of office, you know who will replace him?
Cheney. And from my point of view, he's just as bad as Bush.
So the only thing we can do, realistically, is wait for President Bush's term to end.
That's like waiting for Earth to hit the next ice age, whenever and however that will happen.
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Quote: : Obama's healthcare isn't universal.
he only mandates it for children.
(edit- correction- Bush the current congress and the congress since 2000= bad spending) From Obama's website.
"Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress.
The Obama plan will have the following features:"
Sounds like a national health care to me.
After reading through the entire "idea" that he put forth, I can conclude it is a little different.
But, I am still very skeptical of any national based health care system.
His plan is universal, not just for kids.
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His argument is that most people who don't have healthcare don't have it b/c they can't afford it.
he says he'll bring down cost so that they can.
children will be mandated to have coverage.
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Unlike the rest of the presidents who competed in previous presidential campaigns and attained their presidency, I hope Obama can stick by his word.
I hope it's not just all talk to get himself into office.
But I have too much respect for him to actually believe he won't go through with his plans.
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I think the Global tax is a big thing to think about.
The legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S.
Gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion "over and above what the U.S.
Already spends."
If we're talking about being fiscally responsible, where does all this money come from?
We seriously need to downsize the government, and rethink alot of entitlement programs that take a lot of money.
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Quote: : I think the Global tax is a big thing to think about.
The legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S.
Gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion "over and above what the U.S.
Already spends."
If we're talking about being fiscally responsible, where does all this money come from?
We seriously need to downsize the government, and rethink alot of entitlement programs that take a lot of money.
Good post, and I agree 100%.
The government is too big, and feel they can spend more than they tax.
We need some fiscal responsibility in washington, something that has been gone for many years now.
I for one am tired of Congress voting to give themselves raises time after time.
These career politicians are starting to make me sick.
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I am tired of congress handing out money to Bush to fund his ego-driven war.
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How's this for media coverage
http://www.reuters.com/article/world...Name=worldNews
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Quote: : I am tired of congress handing out money to Bush to fund his ego-driven war.
Yay because if the US is defeated in Iraq, its only a loss for Bush....
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Well, I now DON'T support him because he wants to help illegal immigrants.
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Quote: : Well, I now DON'T support him because he wants to help illegal immigrants.
He's trying to make everyone equal.
He's helping the people.
What's wrong with that?
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Quote: : Well, I now DON'T support him because he wants to help illegal immigrants.
I'd rather give them a path to citizenship then spend money finding, detaining and deporting 15 million men women and children.
secure the borders first tho...
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Quote: : i'd rather give them a path to citizenship then spend money finding, detaining and deporting 15 million men women and children.
secure the borders first tho...
Same here, may as well give the people equality instead of sending them away.
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Besides.... as long as people have a desire to support their families and make something of themselves...
They will find a way in here..
the problem was ignored for too long...
we made our bed, now we must sleep in it.
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Blackwalker or daysite which you prefer...probably daysite since the other one is a little too assuming.
What does obama say about immigration?
If he supports helping illegals here in the country then does he not support our laws concerning their entry and stay?
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